Reason I ask is, my misses parents claim to be *religious*, you know *christians* in particular.

But what kind of believe of such faith smokes ciggarettes, drinks alcohol, smokes (mary j) and tells there own daughter work in a club (with a theme of wearing next to nothing)........

Is that..... iv'e seen this behaviour alot, these kinds of people can't honestly be considered christians can they?

People who follow the bible and Jesus are Chirstians.

Those who take up the cross and follow the Master are true Chirstians.

In a very lose sense all who believe in Jesus are Chirstians.

However, there are those who proclaim there are Christians but don't have a close relationship with their Lord.

Going to church every Sunday doesn't make the person a Christian. Although he/she can say they're Christian but they are not true Chrisitans.

If the parents which you talk of smoke, drink, and they have no remorse or guilty feelings towards it then they must reconsider what the true definition of Christian really is.

What makes a Christian is their faith in God.

So you would consider someone not much of a christian, by doing this things without remorese.

Obviously if someone has stumbled on addictions, or accidentaly spat out something they normally wouldn't have they can be forgiven. But I have kept my eye on this one for awhile and he really believes that it's ok :|

But he doesn't even attempt to defend pot on a level of nature, he defends because it he thinks it feels good and bugger anyone else lol.

EDIT: Did I mention he isn't married and has 2 children.... he has a supposed good *excuse* for not wanting to get married *again*......

This post has been edited by Chesso: Mar 10 2007, 08:45 AM

OK. Where does it say in the Bible (which is the basis for Christianity) that you can't drink? Christians are supposed to follow Christ's teachings, we're supposed to emulate him. And it says he drank wine. So how do you figure drinking is wrong?
The definition of a christian can be summed up in what Jesus said: "Love God with all your soul, your heart, your mind. This is the first commandment. And the second is similar. Love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments are based all the laws and the prophets."
He also said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." It's the same thing, but expressed more succintly.
That is being a Christian.
If you're following those rules, you won't steal, you won't lie, you won't cheat, you won't hurt others, because you wouldn't want someone else to do that to you. You love God and keep His rules, which mean you won't do things that harm your body.
But even if you do smoke or take drugs, that doesn't mean you're not a Christian. It's just that you're not living up to it. This breaks down into theology, but I believe that once saved, always saved. You can't lose your salvation, no matter how bad you are. But I also believe in a difference between salvation and rewards. You might still be a Christian, and be assured of going to Heaven, but if you've done nothing for God in your life, and you've flaunted all His rules, you'll end up in the basement. As it's put elsewhere in the bible, "in everlasting shame and contempt."
Does that answer something, or just add more fuel to the fire?

lol sure ads more fuel to my fire, I understand something that we assume wasn't just made up so long ago can't be specific.....

But abusing ones own family and pressuring them to do things against there will, especially selling ones body (would that not be a pretty bad sin), I think that would fall under something lol.

@Grafiti: I know somewhere in the bible it tells you not to drink..I'll find it for you heh.

I would definitely agree with you there.


In what context, though? Still, let's hear it.

Graffiti I agree that we are allowed to drink wine. I know that you know that abusing alcohol is not good for anyone especially Christians. Well Chesso, if this guy is like this then he isn't a true Christian. He may call himself one but he is not.

There are other less direct words against drinking "strong drink". Also I might ad drinking alchoal with any degree of excess is not often a pleasent story.