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Windows 8 And End Of .net
Posted 05 August 2011 - 10:48 AM
You can read countless rants about this on ars.technica and many other developer news sites. Even silverlight official forum is writing open letter to microsoft to keep .NET alive which you can read on their official forum.
You can read more about this news here and here and here. I'm not sure if many people will stop from upgrading to windows 8 or will keep with win 7 for next few more years. But assuming azure and web based OS as solution makes me think like this could be one bad move from microsoft. I'm of opinion that desktop apps have more use than online apps. So not sure why every tech giant is beating for online os and services even though they know that carriers like AT&T, SPICE and Orange are literally charging per byte and cloud OS or apps makes it harder for them to use computer. So any .NET developer here ? what do you think about windows 8 and it's future for developers ?
Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:17 PM
Posted 06 August 2011 - 03:26 AM
Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:55 AM
Desktops are part of the cloud environment (each user needs to have local power and remote services) so desktops cannot really be ignored, the reason is probably somewhere else.
considering microsoft's movement of cloud and tablets, they're ignoring desktop market.
Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:17 PM
Considering C++ as future language of .NET for MS platform. I wonder if the old win32 prog days are coming back with new api ? I mean the reason C# was making sense was because language like C# is much easy to maintain in case of memory management for apps. I don't know what is going on with them. There are not much of workshops or announcement for the new release either. It is totally mystery for me to see the way with this is going on. Just going to keep tab at it until they release the final version.
Posted 08 August 2011 - 11:07 AM
Posted 09 August 2011 - 06:14 PM
Posted 10 August 2011 - 08:28 AM
As for visual appeal ? true. they're adding a lot of stuff to attract users from other OS. They're making windows a much better experience. but the issue is that they're thinking more about desktop platform dependent on web than any other. I just hope that traditional languages and the stuff remains on the new desktop because if we move to new desktop like inux then surely the work we do with old apps which are windows dependent are not going to work. So this is the reason i'm still using linux for now. otherwise i don't care about .net removal and i can switch to linux anytime i wish by making changes in my work.
Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:41 PM
But I doubt that things like that die soon, for example most of use programmers doesn't really use assembly anymore, but there are people who use it as they require, and even though html5 css3 is really slow comparing, but it's much easier to use them like a standard of some kind and it seems to work, it's structure is good in theory, time will tell
.NET is really good, I personally don't see what's wrong with it to move away from it, frameworks are the way to go, it saves time, it makes the structure better. If I was a serious .NET developer, maybe I would talk differently and would say: "it's not possible" ".NET will be dropped?" "NOO"
Microsoft Surface is something what I think will be the future versions of computers with GUI removed and we will be using NUI, I think it will the the next big move forward, as in ~1985 or a bit earlier we moved from Command line to GUI, with time we will move to NUI from GUI, but as today we have people using Console, I think we will stil have people using GUI, but NUI will be for major part of people, store photos, listen to music, browse the net, play games, watch movies and etc.
Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:09 PM
Simply suppose that all home PC manufacturers stop making that kind of computers, and everybody rushes on tablets?
Thinking in abstract, computers needs to be used as easy as possible, so Today it seems strange how can you use a computer/desktop without .NET, COM/WIND32, but I think it won't be strange after years and years, maybe it's a step forward to the future?
Then, most of communicating things will be like Androids or other such things, able to surf without .net or wind32.
So, I would say, for our own purposes, let's "wait and see". Maybe the far future will see a lot of things disapearing, but the next monthes will probably see us continuing our current job with our current tools.
Posted 25 August 2011 - 11:40 PM
Removing the .NET framework from future versions of Windows is taking away a platform and restricting the possibilities of many unnamed developers who could have used it to continue bringing us innovative and practical solutions. Sure there is always the linux platform and its continuing mission to encourage independant development, but that's not the issue. Instead of taking away Microsoft should be developing and expanding the .NET framework to make it more secure, less constrictive and provide better and more efficient resource management, not removing it completely.
I haven't had chance to go through all the replies to this topic but hopefully this has been picked up on. Microsoft can't have it their way when ever they feel like it, independant development is the corner stone to all information technologies.
Posted 26 August 2011 - 09:07 AM
What most of us are forgeting here is that, desktop is not about web browser, emails and audio player. There are some other domains where desktop based applications are needed heavily. For those domains to functions there is always need for the local desktop applications for faster processing and data security. For example, imagine running matlab on cloud computing. We're wasting resources of our computers by not using it and relying on cloud for that. Also internet connection speeds are always varying and are not cheap everywhere. So educational computing, scientific computing can't rely on cloud softwares for the compilation of program and storage as they need local medium to store and manipulate the data. Same goes with gaming industry, steam maybe good cloud example for gaming, but many people prefer to have games offline and solo or within family. There are surely benefits for games to have cloud interface but downloading simply isn;t going to cut it for cloud platform and resources for say 120 billion people playing games on cloud without any installation on their operating system is something beyond imagination as it'll need horrible servers and resources. So web only operating systems, tablets are not going to be primary medium of the computing usage. Casual surfing and tasks can be done with tablets and small computers but they can't achieve huge tasks that requires patience, creativity.
Coming back to the .NET topic, as i said earlier they're not going to dump it. What made me think on this topic was that there was a lot of talk on this subject and no response frm microsoft. I guess silverlight and some other developer models are going to get affected but .NET as huge platform is not going to get affected with the change. September is going to be the first release month for the windows 8. So let's see how they present the new operating system in conference. Not sure if this will be any good for the some developer types but i can confidently say that .NET is here to stay because not all applications are worthy of cloud platform.
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