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#1 Merovingian

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 09:03 AM

So, what does everyone think about googles' new web browser idea?

http://www.google.co...lebooks/chrome/
http://googleblog.bl...on-browser.html

Will anyone be getting the beta when it's released?

Here is what one of my friends thinks of the project (from another forum). He has a BSc & MSc in computer science and information security (we're old uni mates). He usually knows his stuff when it comes to things like this.


I note that the article linked indicates Google will be using Apple's Webkit rendering engine, rather than Mozilla's Gecko engine. The article also states they'll be using elements of Firefox as well as WebKit, but I wonder what parts of Firefox they'll be using. They state they have developed their own JavaScript interpreter, though personally I think SquirrelFish, another one from the WebKit folks, is more than fast and capable enough. I really hope they're not using any Firefox UI elements, because frankly I despise the Firefox UI, especially on the Mac where Mozilla refuse to use the Apple unified window manager, Aqua, and hence Firefox looks completely out of place on the Mac desktop. I haven't looked at the specifics of this new browser, but one thing that does interest me is sandboxing of tabs. I usually have 5+ tabs or windows open at any one time and a browser crash on one of them takes them all out---a very frustrating experience. I'm interested to see what sort or resource hit there might be to this though, as obviously each tab would be less able to share application memory and thus use more exclusive memory. I'm not sure if this one feature will be enough to make my migrate from Safari though, especially given they'll be running the same renderer.

My opinion (for the interested) of the Webkit and SquirrelFish engines can be found here.


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Posted 02 September 2008 - 10:13 AM

Google using WebKit is probably the most half-assed thing they've done. Imo Presto (Opera) > webkit > *. Gecko and Trident aren't as far apart as ff users think.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 09:54 PM

Well, I first though they used their own engine, I didn't read anything on it, read the speed results with other browsers, thought oh, how cool, read further, so it just was webkit engine, I like webkit, so they just created a nice looking GUI for it on Windows, really great, it's much better to use it than Safari on Windows.. even thought I would have liked to see Swift browser using Webkit on Windows, but seems it won't happen or it will take a lot of time.

In my opinion, because Chrome is very light, it is really great for most of users who just like to browse the Internet, simply as that, it's fast and looks good. :mellow: it's webkit, I really like that they didn't use gecko. :D

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 10:37 PM

I really wish they have used Gecko, even with the minor bugs and stuff in it. WebKit isn't bad or anything, but I still prefer Gecko.

I'm not in Windows right now so I can't try the software yet, but it looks really good. I was reading the online press conference thing and they introduce a lot of features that are similar to other browsers and an advanced JavaScript engine called V8.

Hopefully this won't reduce Firefox/Safari market share by too much, and will help bring down IE.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 12:34 AM

First Impressions:

-Very quick to install and do not have to answer any questions in doing so.

-The startup is extremely fast.

-The interface is extremely simple, with the right and necessary to navigate sites.

-The browser allows import your bookmarks, search engines, the key history from Firefox and Internet Explorer.

-I visited nearly all Google services, Google Maps, YouTube, Gmail, etc… and have noticed an increase in speed as well. However, on several occasions we became stuck on Gmail.

-By default, if you enter a search in the address bar, you Chrome strip results from Google, but you can change it to any other form.

-The version for Mac OS X is not good(not yet ready).

-It has a spellchecker very fast and like FireFox, you underlined in red with the words mistakes. Unfortunately you do not detect the language of writing.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 02:18 AM

What I noticed:
  • Quick installation; a bit concerned about Privacy Policy
  • Startup is quite fast
  • Interface too simple; took a while to find File and Tools menus
  • Was not presented the option to import bookmarks and settings from Internet Explorer 8 or Opera 9; only Firefox
  • Noticeably speed increase in GMail and several Wikipedia pages
  • SVG <object>s are not displayed for some reason
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Posted 03 September 2008 - 04:48 AM

I wish Webkit was used by more people because I think Webkit is one of the best rendering engine when it comes to speed. However, not a lot of websites are compatible with it unfortunately.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 07:18 AM

I am only able to do basic internet here at work, or else I would so be trying to install the new browser. Once I get a chance to get home and install, then I will have to put more on this posting.

I am a huge fan of Firefox, but I also believe that if Google Chrome is the next best thing... then I am sure I will be trying it... I just think that Explorer was the way to go... probably at the time the only way... and then Firefox came along... Everything has to evolve, and I plan on trying the new Google browser. Good topic... at least I think so.

Will get back to it when I can install and then I will critique.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 07:52 PM

I have since wrote a small quick review of the web browser: http://www.kwokinator.com/node/32

Overall, I'm actually quite impressed with the browser. It's quick, responsive and the rendering engine is only giving me only a small amount of issues with TinyMCE's pop up window. Other than that there's really no problem.

Although, I have to admit that I'm disappointed that they only released a Windows release and that the Mac and Linux release is not out yet. Once the Linux release comes out, I bet it's like the first "broad" release of a WebKit browser on the Linux platform since Konqueror doesn't count due to the fact that it still uses KHTML and not WebKit (understandable that WebKit's genesis came from KHTML, no real point having both rendering engine on the same machine).

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 11:47 PM

I’ll give it a try but you can't tell much with 10 minutes of messing around. I am looking for a long term browser not just a small thing that doesn't even load JavaScript. I use Opera and I like its features and speed, but I am always up for trying new things. The download was extremely fast but the installer has been initializing for a few minutes now... The screenshots look good and the very small size just adds to it.

I just wish the installer would load already lol...

Using Windows XP (That’s probably the problem)

From what you have seen would you say it is better then Opera or should I just stick with what works?
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Posted 04 September 2008 - 02:25 AM

Currently, the software only runs on Windows XP/Vista.

It isn't a small thing that doesn't load JavaScript, in fact the JavaScript engine is much faster than other ones (or so I've been told).

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 06:44 PM

I’ll give it a try but you can't tell much with 10 minutes of messing around. I am looking for a long term browser not just a small thing that doesn't even load JavaScript. I use Opera and I like its features and speed, but I am always up for trying new things. The download was extremely fast but the installer has been initializing for a few minutes now... The screenshots look good and the very small size just adds to it.

I just wish the installer would load already lol...

Using Windows XP (That’s probably the problem)

From what you have seen would you say it is better then Opera or should I just stick with what works?
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Don't forget this isn't a final version, it's still under development and there are still a lot of features that should be added.
Anyway, I'm not realy impressed by it, It's not that different from other browsers and doesn't offer anything realy new.

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 05:11 AM

Wutske, have you play around with its tab process isolation? It isolates every single tab into its own process. It's quite neat.

However, I found a problem. They're using an older version of WebKit and it's creating problems with some actions on Facebook like deleting a post or some other AJAX functions.

That's my only problem so far aside from those two issues I listed.

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 09:06 AM

So from what I am hearing it is only a Windows Vista support, I see. Well, my wife has our laptop and that is the only running version of Vista at the moment. My desktop has been running, and will continue to run Windows XP until I purchase or upgrade to Vista on my desktop. It's kinda funny seeing that right before I went into work tonight, I downloaded the setup file and left it on my desktop. I guess I will not be running it...

I would've found out the hard way, but I am so stubborn that I will go ahead and try it for myself... nothing like seeing things for yourself. It may give me requirements and then I will be like, ok no biggy.... I will continue to play with Firefox and Explorer.

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 05:56 PM

So from what I am hearing it is only a Windows Vista support, I see. Well, my wife has our laptop and that is the only running version of Vista at the moment. My desktop has been running, and will continue to run Windows XP until I purchase or upgrade to Vista on my desktop. It's kinda funny seeing that right before I went into work tonight, I downloaded the setup file and left it on my desktop. I guess I will not be running it...

I would've found out the hard way, but I am so stubborn that I will go ahead and try it for myself... nothing like seeing things for yourself. It may give me requirements and then I will be like, ok no biggy.... I will continue to play with Firefox and Explorer.

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Where did you read it's Vista only ? I installed it on XP and it's working.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 02:19 AM

I read somewhere that that EULA for Chrome basically states that Google can monitor every thing do and everywhere you go with it and can do whatever they want with that information.

I think I'll pass.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 09:34 AM

I was going to say that I don't have a problem with it installed on XP, but now that I double checked a previous post, I do see that it did say that XP and Vista both support Google Chrome. I am still very slow to demonstrate the new browser, but I did however finally install and I ran it a little. I will at some point link it to my Dreamweaver, and see if it is compatible.

Oddly enough, I was about to say I don't do much with newer browsers. I don't really like using Safari, but ironically, I am using it right now! Our Macs here at work all have Safari. So I really don't mind using newer browsers as long as they work well with me.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 12:17 PM

Darasen, could you please quote that fragment? It seems unlikely that nobody noticed that before, with so many privacy concerns regarding Google and it's software. Perhaps you're referring to this issue?

When it comes to me, my main problem with (my currently favourite) Firefox was poor handling of many tabs at the same time. I don't really care whether it's due to Gecko or poor memory management but I don't believe that even 80 tabs open should create such a memory demand (sometime even up to 50% of my 2GB RAM, depending on the complexity of the webpages displayes). Chome is definitely a beta, especially with such security bugs/design flaws like secure browsing being cached. But the idea seems extremely tempting, something that Firefox is slowly drifting away from - a quick and small minimalistic browser. My library of FF plug-ins I got used to so much will be hard to forget, but excellent memory management and webkit's speed available on Windows apart from Safari (sorry, I don't like Apple and try to avoid their products) will definitely be a good argument.

Another interesting point about Chrome is where it will end up in the great browser war. Contrary to the popular belief (amongst others supported by numerous articles on tgdaily.com) I believe that it will eventually hurt Firefox pretty badly. As long as IE is offered with Windows and it is the OS installed on most computers, Microsoft will hold its trenches quite well - majority of casual users just can't be bothered to try different browser unless those bring some serious change to the functionality of the webpages people use. Even though Mozilla secured Google's funding for the moment, Google itself has relatively much more resources of all kinds at its disposal. Even with unchanged funding of Firefox, as a safety measure against Chrome failure, Google can successfully push Chrome to the level FF achieved after years of experience and make its own browser surpass FF pretty quickly right after that.

Firefox supremacy relied on it being a comprehensive and completely open alternative to IE, with other competitors on the market, with the same or even better logistical abilities and the same open-minded approach, FF may be in trouble pretty fast. Chrome managed to gain 1% of the market share right on the first day of its beta release. It's not really hard to imagine that soon (after Chrome hits v1.0) a huge community will gather around it, recreating all the functionality that we would otherwise miss after FF.

What I'm really interested are the privacy concerns. What do you guys think? Any articles about monitoring Chrome behaviour when it comes to sending data home?

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 08:51 PM

I was going to say that I don't have a problem with it installed on XP, but now that I double checked a previous post, I do see that it did say that XP and Vista both support Google Chrome. I am still very slow to demonstrate the new browser, but I did however finally install and I ran it a little. I will at some point link it to my Dreamweaver, and see if it is compatible.

Oddly enough, I was about to say I don't do much with newer browsers. I don't really like using Safari, but ironically, I am using it right now! Our Macs here at work all have Safari. So I really don't mind using newer browsers as long as they work well with me.


Well, you have to remember that Safari is bundled on every Mac like how Internet Explorer is bundled on every Windows machine. It's just how Apple and Microsoft dig their feet into the browser market.

Google Chrome is related to Safari in the fact that both run the same rendering engine, known as WebKit which descended from KHTML (HTML renderer) and KJS (JavaScript Interpreter). However, Google Chrome is different in the fact that it doesn't use WebKit's JavaScript interpreter and has its own called V8 which render JavaScripts like crazy.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 08:20 AM

well besides the obvious bugs, privacy/security issues, memory eating, ugly interface it is fast I will give it that, however, chrome has a long way to before it will be any serious threat, which I doubt.

For those interested I had made a few topics about chrome on trap that should interest people

http://www.trap17.co...t...&pid=406456

http://www.trap17.co...t...&pid=406466



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