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Sep 15 2007, 06:06 PM
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Newbie [ Level 2 ] Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 30-July 07 From: California Member No.: 23,692 |
My friend recently took a physics test, and was stumped on a problem. It was a random problem not related to their current subjects, and here it is:
Problem: You hear a tone and you recognize the frequency as 243Hz. You hear another one, but don't know the frequency, but you count the beats of the combined tones as 24 beats in 3 seconds. What is the frequency of the second tone? (In formula sheet, you have: f_beat = |f1 - f2| ) He came up with 235. The closest choices on the answer sheet were 264 and 226. Here was my attempt at solving.. QUOTE fbeat = |f1 - f2| fbeat = |243 - x| fbeat = fb Remember that Frequency = Occurances / Time; and that Hz is over a period of 1 second so.. fb = O/C fb = 24/3s fb = 8bps or fb = 8hz so 8hz = | 243 - 235 | x = 235? But then we see thats wrong, proving me to be stupid. So lets say there was a second in between the beats. fb = O/C fb = 24/2 fb = 12hz 12hz = 243 - 239 Still doesn't work. Hmm...Well but lets say the teacher errored in his positioning of the absolute values. In which case we could wonder if.. -12hz = 243 - 255 255 isnt on the answer sheet either? So damn...what about averages? say fb = average of f1 - f2. 8 = 243 - f2 / 2 243 - 227 = 16 x = 227? So ive come up with x = 235, 239, 255, and 227. 227 is very close to 226. Regardless, I think this is the professors error Any ideas? |
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Sep 15 2007, 08:51 PM
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Premium Member Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 286 Joined: 17-June 07 Member No.: 22,702 |
Well, I'm not going to crunch any numbers, but I am going to explain the underlying physical phaenomena in layman's terms.
Seen as a single-frequency sound consists of just a wave like any other wave (with its peaks and troughs), if you have two such waves (tones) going on at the same time, sooner or later their peaks are going to happen at the same time. That's when they reinforce each other, and the audible effect is a short pulse. After that, they continue interfering with each other until the first wave's peak coincides with the second wave's trough. At this point, of course, the two sounds are going to cancel each other out. This successive reinforcing and canceling each other out of the two waves therefore happens with a certain frequency, which in your case is 8 Hz (24 beats in 3 seconds). Maybe I'm explaining the obvious, I don't know, but if you think of the problem in these qualitative terms, the numerical solution immediately jumps out at you. This post has been edited by dserban: Sep 15 2007, 08:52 PM |
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Sep 16 2007, 04:59 AM
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Newbie [ Level 2 ] Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 30-July 07 From: California Member No.: 23,692 |
Ah that makes much more sense...
Thanks, I'll let him know this. =] |
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Sep 18 2007, 04:04 AM
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Colonel Panic Group: [MODERATOR] Posts: 2,850 Joined: 25-March 05 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 3,233 myCENTs:98.66 |
wow, this is grade 11 physics, but I don't quite remember.
I'll c if I can solve it when I have the time.... xboxrulz |
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