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thehugpoem
post May 19 2005, 11:13 PM
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Wow that's really confusing.
the only thing i know about any designing stuff is html on myspace and css on livejournal. and they work just fine and you can do alot with it.
i wonder if those others do become mainstream what myspace and live journal would start looking like
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post May 19 2005, 11:25 PM
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If you have one xml-file containing train departure information, a webbrowser can transform this xml-information to html by using xsl or css. What you get is a website. But the same xml-file can also be read by a railway station display or other non-PC-machines. So in a way xml might not be internet mainstream yet, but it kinda mainstreams in more and more areas.
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post May 23 2005, 01:31 PM
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Quite simply, HTML is for when you want to make your page look a specific way.

XML is for storing data in general, and browsers can view it different ways.

An example HTML file:

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<html>
 <body bgcolor="green">
  <b>Hello!<b>
 </body>
</html>


This will always display the word Hello! against a dark green background.

An XML file doesn't look too much different:

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<xml>
 <title>My Hello Page</title>
 <background color="green" />
 <text type="bold">Hello!</text>
</xml>


Though it's pretty obvious what this should mean, this file can be displayed in different ways.

In some programs this would show a blue bar at the top, with the words 'My Hello Page' on it, and below that a box that said 'Hello!' in bold against a green background, and in monospace font.

In others you would have the title in the title bar, with the word Hello! in supersampled cursive against a wavy green background pattern.

In actuality I just made that up, and most browsers would display it as-is, though Internet Explorer will stupidly and pointlessly display a bar at the top indicating that it has blocked active content. Yeah, that's an active XML file all right.

Whew. Ask a question, get a walkthrough.

I think HTML is still going, but... ah, I dunno, ask someone else.
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post May 26 2005, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(ihope @ May 23 2005, 01:31 PM)
Quite simply, HTML is for when you want to make your page look a specific way.

XML is for storing data in general, and browsers can view it different ways.

An example HTML file:

CODE
<html>
 <body bgcolor="green">
  <b>Hello!<b>
 </body>
</html>


This will always display the word Hello! against a dark green background.

An XML file doesn't look too much different:

CODE
<xml>
 <title>My Hello Page</title>
 <background color="green" />
 <text type="bold">Hello!</text>
</xml>


Though it's pretty obvious what this should mean, this file can be displayed in different ways.

In some programs this would show a blue bar at the top, with the words 'My Hello Page' on it, and below that a box that said 'Hello!' in bold against a green background, and in monospace font.

In others you would have the title in the title bar, with the word Hello! in supersampled cursive against a wavy green background pattern.

In actuality I just made that up, and most browsers would display it as-is, though Internet Explorer will stupidly and pointlessly display a bar at the top indicating that it has blocked active content. Yeah, that's an active XML file all right.

Whew. Ask a question, get a walkthrough.

I think HTML is still going, but... ah, I dunno, ask someone else.
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If HTML & XML are you much similar why does W3C then say that everyone has to change? Is it better? Does it have possibilities? Please tell me, I don't understand it anymore. My point is not changed anyway, I AM NOT GONNA CHANGE tongue.gif .
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post May 26 2005, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(warbird @ May 12 2005, 02:36 PM)
I prefer HMTL & CSS, just because i don't want to spent another 3 years to learn another language that's maybe a bit better or less better. I don't know why HTML should be abandond. If W3C wants that I'm going to kill them smile.gif, I spend a lot of time by learning HTMl and now i have to learn another language........
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XHTML ISN'T another language for you too learn. it is just a stricter version of HTML. people saying that annoys me lol.

look up XHTML and you will see for yourself.
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post May 26 2005, 02:47 PM
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Ok, maybe that true, but I can't find any books about it, do you know a good site? And why I never saw any site programmed in XHTML? I'm considering to change, but if nobody use it for real sites why should I do it then?

I know for a fact that it isn't very handy to use two languages for the same thing at the same time so if I want to use XHTML I have to stop with HTML and that's also not what I want.

Just a little note: I never saw a post of me so much quoted as the first of me on this topic. tongue.gif laugh.gif
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post May 26 2005, 02:55 PM
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but you don't have to stop using HTML!. HTML is the fundemental language for web design/programming. without HTML you would not be able to build a website. look here: XHTML

also search the forums there are a couple or great topics about XHTML. the site i listed gives you all you need to know. using XHTML is all about conforming to a new standard of web design, making it better for all.
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post May 26 2005, 03:12 PM
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lol. my debate with warbird has gone a little off topic for this topic. warbird: if you want to know more i think a new topic should be made where people can help with examples and things. you should be ok now after the link i have given, that should solve your reservations. biggrin.gif
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post May 26 2005, 04:21 PM
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Can someone give me a reason why I should use XHTML instead of HTML? I really dont see the big difference except for having to add a / at the en of tags that dont needs to be closed in regular HTML. So, please, whats the difference? What can I do with XHTML that cant be done in HTML?
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post May 26 2005, 04:33 PM
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"What can I do with XHTML that cant be done in HTML?"

you can't do anything with XHTML than you can with HTML. The reason many websites are now using valid XHTML and CSS is that they want to become better web designers and make the experience much better for all. Like i said using XHTML is all about conforming to better standards, if you dont want to be bothered with the latest web standards then dont both with XHTML. Its not like not using XHTML would make you or anyone a bad designers but the standards which most people now follow make a good programming practice.

"I really dont see the big difference except for having to add a / at the en of tags that dont needs to be closed in regular HTML"

that is basically, boiling it down to its simplest form, it! adding slashes to certain tags.

XHTML compliant coding helps in developing cross-browser compatible websites. i am sure that most people have seen websites which look good in IE and crap in Firefox or on a completely different computer. basically it helps people see your site the way it is SUPPOSED to be.
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