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g2konline
post Oct 14 2006, 10:31 AM
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Muslims For A Safe America conducted a survey at the Islamic Society of North America’s 43rd Annual Convention in Chicago from September 1, 2006 to September 4, 2006.

307 Muslims who are American citizens participated in the survey at the Muslims For A Safe America booth at ISNA.

The purpose of the survey was to better understand the views of American Muslims on issues relating to Islam, Muslims, and American national security. It is important to let Muslims articulate their varied opinions on these issues in order to encourage dialogue within the Muslim community and with the rest of American society.

However, this was NOT a scientific survey, because ISNA Convention attendees who visited the Muslims For A Safe America booth are not necessarily representative of the American Muslim community as a whole.
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post Oct 14 2006, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(g2konline @ Oct 14 2006, 04:31 AM) *

Muslims For A Safe America conducted a survey at the Islamic Society of North America’s 43rd Annual Convention in Chicago from September 1, 2006 to September 4, 2006.

307 Muslims who are American citizens participated in the survey at the Muslims For A Safe America booth at ISNA.

The purpose of the survey was to better understand the views of American Muslims on issues relating to Islam, Muslims, and American national security. It is important to let Muslims articulate their varied opinions on these issues in order to encourage dialogue within the Muslim community and with the rest of American society.

However, this was NOT a scientific survey, because ISNA Convention attendees who visited the Muslims For A Safe America booth are not necessarily representative of the American Muslim community as a whole.
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What? Did you even read my post? It had almost nothing to do with the muslim comunity or anything about well, the "Direct" affect of 9/11. You are confusing me to a point were I don't even know what your talking about anymore?
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post Oct 14 2006, 04:04 PM
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Well, I guess you guys are right. When I first read on this topic on this thread, I was pretty shocked. And I am thinking whoever believed this on their first time is pretty gullible!! I mean... hmmmm... the 9/11 attacks making earth a prettier place for all??

Heh, I don't know about that, sir! But anyway, yeah with all that 20% oxygen and 80% nitrogen thing, that's true true true!!! Where can the hot gases and cold gases be?? I mean, it's like... trace gases? I hope you understand what I'm saying but trace gases don't really affect anything. They're too insignificant in quantity to move things around!

Really... some people here in Astahost are much smarter than those idiotic "I-gonna-make-some-theories" scientists that think 9/11 "saved" the United States and the whole world..

Ermm... yeah. Or maybe it was a hot day?

Sorry I got overboard with what you posted.

This theory is just too farfetched for me to bear sad.gif

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post Dec 2 2006, 09:19 PM
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assuming this theory is true its very intresting. The only thing is since the original poster didn't have any evidence, I doubt it was true and sadly is just a conspiracy theory.
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post Dec 2 2006, 10:02 PM
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I think 9/11 had actually got America so on alert that it's too paranoid.

Just take a look at this article:
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U.S. tracks Canadians for terror traits
Monitoring system stores data on flights, licence plates, credit cards, addresses
Dec. 2, 2006. 08:47 AM
TIM HARPER
WASHINGTON BUREAU

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A security official is X-rayed by a "backscatter" machine in 2003. The Phoenix, Ariz., airport will test the weapons’ screening system.

WASHINGTON—The U.S. government knows where you sat on your last cross-border flight, how you paid for your ticket, your email address, your phone number, even your special meal requests in the past.

They won't let you look at the information but they can share it with law enforcement agencies, foreign governments, even public health agencies and they can keep the dossiers compiled on millions of Canadian travellers for up to 40 years.

It's all in the name of assigning you a score as a potential terrorist under a program known as the Automated Targeting System (ATS).

U.S. privacy advocates and some legislators promised to fight to kill the program yesterday, but the Department of Homeland Security was unapologetic, saying the ATS is really just a continuation of a program overseen by another agency for more than a decade.

Every traveller from every nation, arriving by land, air or sea, is screened under the program.

There was no official reaction from Ottawa to the U.S. program yesterday.

A consultation period inviting comments on the plan ends Monday at which time Washington will determine whether it needs to modify it before publishing the final rules, said homeland security spokesperson Jarod Agen.

Details of the program were placed on the electronic Federal Register here in early November, but the department did nothing to publicize it, Agen said, because it was not seeking new information, merely bringing existing programs under the homeland security umbrella.

The information remains in the government's possession for up to 40 years, he said, because it can sometimes take 10 years or more for terrorist plots to develop.

"If you booked your flight by cellphone and that cellphone shows up at a terrorist's safe house, you will be under greater scrutiny," he said.

Privacy advocates say the Bush administration was trying to hide the program.

"The Automated Targeting System mines a vast amount of data to create a `risk assessment' on hundreds of millions of people per year, a label that will follow them for the rest of their lives, as the data will be retained for 40 years,'' said the Electronic Privacy Information Centre.

"Yet the system is deeply flawed, and the funds spent turning ATS into a citizen profiling program would be better spent in perfecting its cargo screening process, so that port security can be stronger than a `house of cards,'" the privacy centre says.

The centre's executive director, Marc Rotenberg, said if the information is used for any other reason than to assess security risks, and it cannot be accessed by its subjects, "then I think the program should be shut down.''

Vermont Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy, the judiciary committee chair in the new U.S. congress, said data banks such as ATS are due for oversight.

"That is going to change in the new congress,'' he told the Associated Press, which first revealed the existence of ATS.

David Sobel, senior counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, called the proposal "frightening'' and urged homeland security to "allow for an informed public debate on this dangerous proposal.''

The program was used to screen cargo in the early 1990s under the supervision of the American treasury department, then expanded to include passengers in the mid-1990s.

Following the 2001 terror attacks, however, the scope of information sought by the U.S. was greatly expanded and was the subject of much debate in Ottawa because it involved Canadian air carriers.

In its detailed privacy posting on its website, homeland security said data must be retained for up to 40 years "to cover the potentially active lifespan of individuals associated with terrorism or other criminal activities.''

It said, however, it would delete files if they are no longer relevant. But you won't know whether your file is active or deleted because the proposed rules also prevent any access to the data the U.S. has stored.

Most of the information comes from air carriers, Amtrak, the U.S. national rail carrier, chartered sea vessels and information provided by motor vehicle registration when your licence plate is scanned as you drive across the border.

According to the homeland security proposal, the information collected on you includes:

# The date of your reservations and your travel dates.

# Your name and the names of your travelling companions.

# Your address, your credit card information, your billing address, your cellphone number and email address.

# Where you like to sit on the plane and any special services — meals or otherwise — you request.

# Your frequent flyer points and your travel agency.

# The number of times you have booked one-way tickets.

# How many bags you check and their tag numbers, and whether you have ever booked a flight and not shown up.


Source: The Toronto Star

I don't think the United States have the rights to monitor people of other countries.

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post Jan 17 2007, 07:08 AM
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The theory is really interesting, may be pollution wont be a problem unless we euivalent it, if the fact that the heat was increased in this period of 3 days than may be it is really good that we are equaling the pollution we create ,but dont you think it could be a really far fetched ideaa ,because if its really that then why arent scientist have discovered such a way yet, alternatives of oil should be found no way what ,it would make all countries except the oil countries go bankrupt ,no of cars are increasing ,the fuel needed is also increasing,what i beleive that the next bill gates would be the person who invents a substitute for oil ,only if he is not killed by some big oil companies hehe
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post Jan 17 2007, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE(sparkx @ Oct 12 2006, 08:33 PM) *

OK so starting a few years ago pollution was made illegal in the U.S. to slow down global warming. Turns out it is doing just the opposite. By cutting down on pollution we are making earth hotter! A new study has shown that there are two types of gasses on earth, ones that make it cooler and one that make it hotter. A few years back we had a "close to balanced" almost equilibrium with high energy. But now that we have cut back on the "COLD" gasses the hot ones are starting to take over. This will cause effects to our planet never thought of before. I won't go into what will happen in this post. OK so anyway, the only way to test this "theory" is to find a place with the "colder" gasses and then take them away and see if the temperature increases. A good place is the U.S.A. with all the air travel water vapor comes off wings of jets and cools down the earth. But, on 9/11/2001 the world stopped and was amazed. Air-travel all across the U.S. was stopped for 3 days. In these 3 days the temperature went up more than it ever had is 100's of years in the shortest amount of time. We found the answer, We need to keep the pollution balanced at a low level of equilibrium. To do this we need to find alturnitives to oil and use the info that we learned from this sad event.


Can i just clarify that global warming does not mean that the world is going to get hotter, all it means is a weather change and that the water will rise about 5cm and all the low countries will be flooded. If you want to know what global warming is like there's a movie called "The Day after tomorrow" and the movie is abit extreme with the effects of global warming but it explains it well.
But, i think due to Global warming and weather change that it hasn't snowed in England biggrin.gif
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post Jan 18 2007, 06:09 AM
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Hi Lewisthemusic,

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Can i just clarify that global warming does not mean that the world is going to get hotter, all it means is a weather change and that the water will rise about 5cm and all the low countries will be flooded. If you want to know what global warming is like there's a movie called "The Day after tomorrow" and the movie is abit extreme with the effects of global warming but it explains it well.
But, i think due to Global warming and weather change that it hasn't snowed in England biggrin.gif


scientists have a queer way of telling us one thing, and then retracting them. The concept that, 9/11 may have benefited us environmentally is a lie. There are no scientific proofs for that.

Infact, just after the 9/11 happened, there was a grave concern and valid scientifically tangible point that the pollution from the derbies of the twin towers crashing might lead to serious health issues for the people of New York. Infact, to such an extent that, the death toll from pollution might be more than the people who died in the 9/11 aftermath. ofcourse, in a longer duration and much more deadlier way..

There is some scientific proof for this too..
here are the links

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...23/MN300070.DTL
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/manhattan.html
http://www.sierraclub.org/groundzero/
http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view....le_id=218392847

hope that clears the airs..

More so, in case 9/11 has led to the saving the world lets make some more 9/11's wink.gif. Thats what some f*****g next psycho osama bin will fight for.

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post Jan 19 2007, 06:08 PM
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Nice ! I love this kind of thinking.
You say this is proved.
And you give links to the documents that prove it.
This should always be the way people should be told.

I can say "I think that" or "It's probably true that"...
But the only acceptable way to say "it's proved" is to do exactly like you did, providing the proving documents.
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post Jan 20 2007, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(yordan @ Jan 19 2007, 11:38 PM) *

Nice ! I love this kind of thinking.


thanks yordan
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