LOL -- This is an old one! There are "never happened" rumors about almost every significant event that's ever happened in our history, and they've made so many movies about them! The conspiracy people have a blast with this stuff! Have you herd the latest one? The Holocaust never happened? It was all staged! Ouch....

I believe that the Apollo moon landing was real. What possible reason would NASA have to fake it? Did the rocket blow up? How come they didn't cover up the Shuttle disaster?

//Captain.Jerry/

Haha.... that would definitely be the mother of all conspiracies!!

Hi all I belive that they did land on the moon.

Don't mind but you guys simply say that "I believe they landed on moon, and I don't see a reason why they didn't." period.

Well, there are proper facts showing and explaining why the moon landing is doubtful. And why would NASA fake it? Oh common!!! NASA was unable to send even a stupid satellite payload rocket into the orbit when compared to USSR. Well, in those days India had taken a Non-Aligned attitude towards USSR and USA so we were sending satellite payloads via both countries equally.
Out of 8 satellites we sent via US rockets, 5 failed. Out of 10 sent by USSR, NONE failed! Ofcourse I do agree they had more expertise in putting satellites into orbit since they started it, and US was more busy with doing something new, like going to the moon...

I find it hard to believe that US could carry 6 FLAWLESS manned missions to an alien planet, when they cudn't carry out decent controlled missions here on earth. Common didn't we just witness Columbia crashing in 2003 during its re-entry? Not to forget the Mars Polar landers that simply disappeared. And these are just to mention a few... and makes a person wonder... how the heck could not a single mishap happen during the 6 critical moon missions??? It leads us to believe that they were pretty lucky it seems... Now couple that with the other evidences provided in the Conspiracy Theory, and now the whole picture of NASA going to the moon seems hazy. As for getting the rocks, I believe they must have sent an unmanned lunar lander (like the Russians) to get lunar rocks. Also read the book by Ralf Rene. It properly explains why the whole Moon mission was technically impossible. And one fact that I too agree with is, even today the technology is not in place to provide enough air conditioning power in 270 deg C. for even a matter of few hours, let alone days.

Now common, US is the most advanced nation in the world today, and there is no questioning its technological prowess. But the scenario was not the same earlier. It had a tough rival back then... That fact could have pushed it to take that adverse step of faking the show

And yeah,... incase u havent done it, just use Google earth to zoom onto Area 51, and see the nearby area. There are moon like craters everywhere.

Frankly speaking, not just me, but most non-americans now find it doubtful that NASA made it to the moon, but anyhow, it hardly matters because most know that they live a good life because of the Americans and whatever they have created, and thats what actually matters.
And for China! hah! They carry out their manned spaceflight by buying Russian stuff and paying lumpsum to a few Russian scientists and brag about it as if they invented the whole thing. China is no rival to the US and will neither be for atleast a few decades.
Since Russians didnt make it to the moon, neither would Chinese.

Well, I think you kinda answer that yourself when you said that US is the most advanced nation on Earth today. Yes, US have a tough rival back then and still does today. Soviet Union might have disintegrated but Russia still exists. Having a tough rival might give US a motive to fake but it doesn't prove that it is fake. You might argue with someone before he/she is killed but it doesn't might you the killer. It just gives you a motive, that's all.


As for the failed rocket mission, failed space shuttle mission, failed mars mission, it only show mistakes. If a Boeing aircraft would to crash, and they do, not just once.. it doesn't mean that Boeing aircraft can't fly or fly around the globe without stopping. It only shows that more quality control has to be instituted on each and every Boeing aircraft that is produced.




Personally, I don't see what's wrong with that. If I am the President of China (never could, since I'm not a citizen.. ) I would gladly buy the technology of Stealth bomber when the US decides to sell it to cover their ever increasing debt. There is definitely no reason to spend money to reinvent the wheel. If you are a software programmer, you should definitely understand this point. If there is a free code that you can use, why bother thinking and writing it all by yourself?




Yup... I agree with you on that. Most probably, China would never be a US rival. At least not in my lifetime. The gap is just too huge....




Haha... you better remember what you said. If you're still alive 10 years down the road, there is a high chance you would have to eat your words. I am not saying that China would certainly have a successful manned moon mission but it is certainly a target for them. So, we shall wait and see...

uh look yeh, i just put up one simple small argument about doubt on 6 FLAWLESS missions... but the conspiracy theorists (specially Ralph Rene) have put up far more intellectual and technology based arguments that hit the hard spot... try researching on that.

One of the most valid arguments by Bill Kaysing was the Rocket engine sound problem. He said that the lunar lander had a powerful rocket engine right beneath the cabin and would produce high decibel sound. Some argue that there is no atmostphere to carry the sound, but what those idiots forget is that sound is created by the exhaust gases (the basis of rocket propulsion), and hence it would travel to the cabin via vibrations. Rather not just travel, it would shake the whole cabin up with some decent noise and shudder. But we hear none in any of the transmissions. Now even when a jet fighter pilot speaks on radio when aircraft's afterburners are on, we hear terrible shudder in the background which is basically due to the vibrations up in the cockpit. And the rocket engines on the landers are far more powerful, and noise creating... This argument has no intellectual counter statement from either NASA or elsewhere.
Anyhow... there is no point in arguing on this topic. Now supposedly if China makes it to the moon, let's see if they can explore to the US land zone and check whether the flag still exists... or a blast crater still exists.

Anyhow, I never said that China was doing anything wrong by buying technology... and come on, there is difference in business and things done for national prestige... what it means is they kill the national pride factor.

Like when US sent Alan Shephard to space, they didn't buy the technology from Russia for the sake of not "re-inventing" the wheel
And as far as moon mission is concerned, they usually buy or copy technology. There is hardly any important technology to China's credit, except whatever the Ancient Chinese did. Hell, they copy aircraft from Russia, bikes from India (Indian bikes have the reputation of economy with power, and thats what a common chinese needs too), electronics from Japan... and now what they can't copy, they buy. It's good, but finally the whole thing is pretty worthless as we just see another Russian rocket launch from Chinese space center.
When we send our unmanned Lunar Lander in 2007, we make sure of national pride by developing all the technology on our own, and beat China atleast in that field. Apart from that it will carry US payloads of probably some AESA Radar. The Tejas fighter aircraft has lots of US and Russian technology implanted, but we do not hide it, rather put it clear on govt. websites about the participating companies. This is what China should do but doesn't.
I doubt there will be any successful moon mission by China in the next 10 years. And even if they do it, probably US would already be civilizing it with a human colony by then.

This post has been edited by CaptainRon: Jun 5 2006, 01:35 PM

Hi guys, this is my first post and i want to tell all of u that the mission was a fake , there are many evidences to prove the whle issue which were shown by conspiracy theory.

The first one being that wen the US astronouts reached there , they had dug their flag and the flag fluttered , How the hell is it possible that the flag flutters on the surface of Moon were there is no air.


There are much and many more evidences to prove dat the whole thing was a hoax and US had spent 40 mn$ for the whole setup which was done supposedly at Area 51.
these are the reports by Conspiracy Theory.

This is one of those near self-perpetuating conspiracies... If I said well, why don't we just point the Hubble on the moon! Surely, we would see evidence of humanity if we used a powerful telescope. The obvious retort would be that it's owned by the same organization that faked it in the first place... All i can say is the value of having been on the moon still eludes me. I still can't imagine how such cold war inanities could have captivated the globe. Even more, how the President Shrub intends to blow more gas by putting us back on that rock. Absolutely nonsense!

The budget was 40 billion, not million. The video said that the movie, Capricorn One, was made in $40 mn budget, and if that looked so bloody realistic on screen, the same could have been done for a fake landing.

Well, think what you want, but read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_...burden_of_proof
It's just ridiculous if you can't follow the principles I gratefully copied from Wikipedia.
I know it's fun to believe such stuff and trying to prove it, but COME ON. In short: It's easy to point out inconsistencies, but as long as they do not prove the Truth-theory wrong, you need to accept the truth.
A good prove to show that it is not true, would be to show that Armstrong was actually on earth, while he was shown on the moon. No can do? You can just tell me that the flag flutters? OH REALLY? Well, I completely forgot, the only thing that can make a flag flutter is the wind, right? No, it is not. That's why it's bullshit to take small things and show that they look different than expected, I mean in the end, none of these fellows has actually been on the moon to prove that it is impossible to do these things.
And a-whole-nother way to view it: If it really was fake and there was proof, don't you think these things would be less obvious. Don't you think one of your imaginary NASA-Fakers would have seen the flag flutter and say "Hm, looks to unreal, let's cut that scene".


Oh a some quite good proof pro-moon landing (found in German Wikipedia):
• The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter will be send into space in 2008 and will photograph the landing sites – but of course they could just fake those photos too, right (how many generations of corrupt scientists do you think, the NASA has?)
• It's quite improbable that the NASA was able to recreate moon-gravity scenes, when hollywood still can't do it today.
• The reflectors they left there. Now you could say they placed them there with robots, but yeah, sure, disregard the fact that the Soviet Union took all their time and budget just to get up the rovers for that mission
• private radio operators all over the world could listen to the astronauts – the replies came with a delay that can be calculated to be the light-speed-delay. Not two times the delay, if they send it up and back down from a space probe.
• Apollo 11 videos "featured" the Russian space probe Luna 15 crashing. Now the regarding documents were released and show no differences from the American description.

Sorry for crushing your dreams..
RBN