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I know that the gods of webdesigning revere dreamweaver as the best wysiwyg editor, but till now i've been using fp. when i heard dreamweaver was nice and tried it out - it freaked me out for the first time. agreed, it's powerful, but macromedia could've made the interface more simpler, like they have in photoshop. so out of your personal experience, which do you feel is the best? i'd go for fp.








   Fri Jul 22, 2005    Reply         

I found FP makes pages sluggish, because it produces very poor code. I agree that DW is scarey at first, but giv e it a try, look up a tutorial if you have to (the Macromedia site itself is wonderful for that one). I found DW meet all my needs, though I admit to using TopStyle Lite for editting CSS for IPB Skins (just is smaller and starts up faster)

For simple sites, I just stick to Notepadd ++ which is like notepad but offers syntax highlighting for a lot of langauges, ConText is equally good btw. I just dislike FP a lot, and even though I have the full Office Pro with FP, I never install it. I once did, to write a tutorial on how to FTp your site to astahost from within FP, but I hate the program.

When i had classes in webdesign, HTML first. We had to WRITE the code on PAPER so we had to learn the tags etc. THen we were allowed to move to Glimmer, Vim, Vi, Emacs even LOL, or Gedit. (All text editors in Linux, but Emacs, it's an environment.) After a while we could use what we wanted for building sites, but on the finals Glimmer or Vi had to be used. I prefer Vim still :) Our final was this : recreate the slashdot.org site with everything, you can copy and reuse the graphics. But the site has to be hand coded (the teacher had copied ALL graphics, made a tarball out of them and we had the tarball and a screenshot of the site)

   Fri Jul 22, 2005    Reply         

For me, I have only used FrontPage once in my life. Dreamweaver is my editor of choice and find that the application can be overwhelming at first, but I feel the learning curve isn't too bad. I started out learning HTML and then moved to Dreamweaver to code it all. In my opinion, its always good to have a good background on what you're doing cause if something doesn't look right, you could always check the HTML. Dreamweaver has a very good reference section that explains the different tags for HTML and other languages. The reason why I like Dreamweaver is because the user interface is not intrusive in any way. Every panel can be hidden so all you see is the workspace and the reason why I like this is because I can open up and edit multiple files at a time and still be organized. In the end it's what you're most familiar with that will get you the best results.

   Fri Jul 22, 2005    Reply         


I have never been a fan of WYSIWYG editors because everything seems simpler to me when i use just the simple notepad to edit and create HTML files. My knowledge of web design started with FP when i attended a class on it. Pretty fascinating for me at that time coz i was like 9 back then and the internet was still a blur for many people.

But i really hated it when all you do is drag and drop images or text into a screen like making slide with powerpoint. I wanted more freedom, which is why i moved on to Dreamweaver. The beginning versions looked pretty crappy and keeping all the necessary windows open at one time was very problematic because of lack of space. So i just played along then i realised that there is a whole other part to coding and began to learn it myself with HTML tutorials on the web.

Believe me, I've NEVEr taken a HTML class before. I've asked a few of my friends who've attended it what is was like and they told me what he learnt and i realised that full $300 for a 3 hour lessons is actually worth 3 months of studying HTML yourself online. I never retreat to coding books because i think its a waste of time reading when you can do handson and learn it yourself. Most of my learning is basically assumption...play around you don't get it right try again....

When you use programs like Dreamweaver or FP it totally limits what you can do. Although Dreamweaver has an option where you can switch to the original coding panel, it is really useless because some other php or mysql databases just don't function properly in Dreamweaver and seriously NOT in FP.

So basically:

If you want website done in 20minutes - Frontpage
If you want website done in 30 minutes with more options - Dreamweaver
If you want to mess with your website till daylight - Notepad

Have fun!

   Fri Jul 22, 2005    Reply         

I started out with Notepad. That was good for simple web designing and it gave me more control of the site. Then I started using Frontpage. Don't know why, but I never liked that program at all. I think Frontpage Express is better than that. It's more simple to use.

Next thing you know, I'm using Dreamweaver and have been using it ever since. It's definitely one of the better WYSIWYG HTML programs out there. I guess you have to get used to it first. Notepad still comes into action from time to time, but Dreamweaver is the main software I use for my webpages.

   Fri Jul 22, 2005    Reply         

i have used frontpage mostly, it is pretty easy to use. sure it takes a little to get used to because everything is sorta spread around. but i got the hang of it quickly as i usually do. i put up my first site with frontpage shortly after i started usuing it. before that i was just using notepad and the html skills i had taught myself over the internet.

here is one of my sites...

the one done in notepad

the one that i had done in frontpage i deleted (sorry)

i had known about dreamweaver for a long time now...but the first time i got to use it, it was only for a day. i had borrowed it from a friend of mine. i installed it and imedialtly started making a web page. in about 5 minutes i had made a decent homepage to my site. it was amazing...i didnt even need time to get used to the program, i just sorta installed and away i went. but my friend took the software back, and my trial expired before i could...crack it...but after that i started using frontpage again. it wasnt the best application. but it worked great. i finally got dreamweaver from the library about a year later, i had never actually installed it, it just sat in my cd case. but then the webdesigning class i took started usuing dreamweaver so i installed it on my computer and begin usuing it again. once again i didnt need to get used to the program too much again (just a few different things because this was mx 2004). quickly i had made another new site. this time a whole site and i put it online with astahost. my accounts suspended right now because i went on vacation, so theres no point in putting a link, but i guess i could cause it will be activated again shortly.

website made with dreamweaver

the only thing with that site is that the template isnt mine, i had downloaded it from some site online so that i had one to use while i created my own. but the thing i love most about dreamweaver is the ability to use the other macromedia software along side of dreamweaver. it just makes things soo much easier. and dreamweaver doesnt even take hours to learn to use. eveything is right there. although i will admit that after usuing frontpage for so long, switching to dreamweaver can be a little confusing but only because you expect things to be harder when they are easier.

i think dreamweaver is a lot better than frontpage, easier to use, powerfull...way powerfull. and even my baby brother can use it (i dont have a baby brother, but hopefully that doesnt mean that a baby couldnt use the program)...if you dont arleady have dreamweaver, i suggest you get it.

   Fri Jul 22, 2005    Reply         


I have downloaded about six free website templates now and find that using FP is a breeze to edit, fill with content and graphics and to publish. I find dreamweaver not user friendly. It takes me ages to figure out what to do and find the experience quite frustrating :)

   Fri Jul 22, 2005    Reply         

FP never used it and never liked it, the code i saw it generates just sux, so much unneeded code, you always need to optimize manually.. i always have been using a text editor for my webdesig, editplus and now am using bluefish on linux, never liked DW, but if choosing from FP or DW, i would really choose DW, besides if you're very expierenced with it, you can make a lot of really good things, the starters who use them usually makes nothing good. :)

   Sat Jul 23, 2005    Reply         

Yeah i use frontpage alwayz.. not tried my hands at Dreamweaver,

Friends im having a Doubt.. Like frontpage can create html.. Just like that is there any software for php?
As i dont know a word of php, if something like frontpage or dreamweaver it would be great for me! As i wanted to design a dating site myself! i had seen some editors for php but they dont work.. i mean they are too difficult to understand! :)
wud be glad to know if something like frontpage for Creating php !

   Sat Jul 23, 2005    Reply         

QUOTE (turehu)

I have downloaded about six free website templates now and find that using FP is a breeze to edit, fill with content and graphics and to publish.  I find dreamweaver not user friendly.  It takes me ages to figure out what to do and find the experience quite frustrating :)
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yes i do agree. i love dreamweaver, but i did find it a lot easier to use frontpage to edit templates and stuff. dreamweaver had some problems with spacings and junk. you would move something and it would just go all over the place.


QUOTE (Quatrux)

FP never used it and never liked it, the code i saw it generates just sux, so much unneeded code, you always need to optimize manually.. i always have been using a text editor for my webdesig, editplus and now am using bluefish on linux, never liked DW, but if choosing from FP or DW, i would really choose DW, besides if you're very expierenced with it, you can make a lot of really good things, the starters who use them usually makes nothing good. :P
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yeah, frontpage does create a lot of un-needed code though. thank god i figured that out a while ago. i was amazed at all the crap they toss into it. dreamweaver is better, but not perfect. it is always best to go over the code yourself.

   Sat Jul 23, 2005    Reply         

I guess it all comes down to how much time you have to spend on trying to figure things out, which I personally find very frustrating. I am all for the FP interface which is quite intuitive and easy to use on the spot. I am not a discipline step by step thinker. I find that very tedious. I go in do my edits, finish my website and out again in the shortest possible time. I can do that easily with FP. :) :P

   Sat Jul 23, 2005    Reply         

If you ask me, frontpage is definately a better wysiwyg. It may be true that dreamweaver has more features, but frontpage is much simpler to use. This is because frontpage is a microsoft office product, and the program's format is much similar to other office products, such as word and excel. Because most people use these, it takes less time for new users to get used to frontpage than dreamweaver, proving it to be a simpler interface.

Main point-

-beginners like me, use frontpage

-web designers or pros, use dreamweaver

(alternative: use notepad, no money required!)

   Sat Jul 23, 2005    Reply         

At first when I have tried to work in front page because it was already there in my computer with MS Office. Offcourse using FP is very easy. But then I see the code generated by it and there was a lot of garbage code. So I have never used it again. Than I tried Dreamweaver MX. But after using it for only one day I found it very hard to work as other members have said here. Later I tested many but then once again I decided to try once more dreamweaver. I have explored it thoroghly and now I can say that you can't find a better html editor than dreamweaver. I am using Dreamweaver MX now a days and it is super. It generage 99% pure html code without adding any garbage and it is very easy to use.
So just work at least some days on Dreamweaver and than you will never go anywhere else.

   Mon Jul 25, 2005    Reply         

Well,it depends on what kind of site you want to make.If you want to make one without much learning or fancy-pants add-ins,then use FrontPage.If you want to make it like a professsional site,or just didn't want it to look too "out",then use Dreamweaver.OK,I admit Frontpage is easy to use and it comes with MSOffice,but you know,there are lots of things that FP can't make while DW can.
I've tried to use FP once,but it's just drag-and-drop or copy-and-pasting things into a template(lame,isn't it?).

So I abadoned teh program and went for DreamweaverMX.It was hard to learn at first,but I managed with a book about it and trial and error,it worked great!Making those pop-up messages,moving text on status bar and other things weren't that hard after all...


you've heard me!

   Tue Jul 26, 2005    Reply         

I started out using frontpage to design websites as i found it easy to use and was the starting line for me to learn html. I have done about 4 or 5 sites using frontpage and have never had any problems using it.

I was then introduced to Dreamweaver through work and started using that. It is so much better than frontpage to use and especially as i also use photoshop to do a lot of my sites i can load it up in dreamweaver and start to add bits to it. I couldnt do this in frontpage, so it makes life a lot easier. Also like the fact that everything you need for web design is incorporated into dreamweaver. I have the package which contains fireworks and flash mx, this a package i would recommend to all people that are using frontpage and want to take a step up.

   Tue Jul 26, 2005    Reply         

QUOTE (crs_cwiz)

I know that the gods of webdesigning revere dreamweaver as the best wysiwyg editor, but till now i've been using fp. when i heard dreamweaver was nice and tried it out - it freaked me out for the first time. agreed, it's powerful, but macromedia could've made the interface more simpler, like they have in photoshop. so out of your personal experience, which do you feel is the best? i'd go for fp.
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First off Macromedia had nothing to do with photoshop that was Adobe. I agree Dreamwaver is powerful but it's only downfall is that there are a lot of features that are hidden and the navagation is a little bad. However now that Adobe bought Macromedia you can expect the navagation to look a lot like photoshop with a lot of intergration with it too...


for more on Adobe buying Macromedia go to my post by clicking here

   Wed Jul 27, 2005    Reply         

i started out in frontpage, that was a very basic program. when i was introduced to Dreamweaver i couldn't figure it out at first, but after a few days of studying tutorials i had a working knowledge of the basics to it, and the time spent learning was well worth it. it saved me so much time compared to fp, and it's 100% more powerful, especially if you're going to be working in any langauge besides html. the downside...it's not free, but then i don't think fp is either. there are some competitive freeware options available as well, but for me, i'm sticking with dreamweaver.

   Sat Jul 30, 2005    Reply         

I started out in FT but i moved to dream weaver to find that i could make alot better webpages with better graphics than in FT. Dream weaver would edit some of the files html tags but when i would try and edit it in FT it wouldnt let me. so i now just stick with DW. also lol it must be really complicated to make a website win Note pad. of coasre you have ultimate control but it takes hours to get everything right and to do the HTML. lol i just dont have the patients for that glad that some ppl do.

   Sat Jul 30, 2005    Reply         

Dreaveweaver is best for more advanced websites and allows you to create better php pages (dont think frontpage does them). Although saying that, i still use Frontpage due to already having made a few sites with it and getting really familiar to it and its features. For my next site i would use Macromedia Dreaveweaver MX 2004 (which i have on my PC).

   Fri Aug 26, 2005    Reply         

I used FP a little when i first started getting into web design. it's simple enough with the drag and drop scheme. but when i realized that if i was going to get anywhere doing web design, i needed to learn HTML. I started teaching myself HTML through Dreamweaver through the split HTML/preview mode. so i could see how HTML works. I still use the split viewing mode because i find my mistakes easier that way.

I will admit, i was a little frustrated and intimidated when i started using DW, simply because i really had no idea what i was doing. But after time, i gradually got the hang of things and once you do, it's really a simple program. there are a lot of components to it, but you dont need to learn all of it to design a good website...

   Wed Sep 7, 2005    Reply         

I have used DW for over a year now, it was the program I started with to. I have never had any problems, I feel i make a better site with it. When i tried FP first time, i was shocked, over how bad made it is. You have no control over what you make..
That was what I mean.. B)

   Mon Sep 19, 2005    Reply         

i think FRONTPAGE is best for database and e-commerce sites that require a lot of work. the database wizard makes it easy for you to accomplish those kind of tasks.

DREAMWEAVER is the best in terms of overall application. the interface looks crappy (dont know about DREAMWEAVER 8, i've been using 6/MX) but it is really powerful, with support for PHP, ASP.NET, JAVASCRIPT, MYSQL and a real good CSS editor.

FRONTPAGE's themes are weak, gut it has some nice JAVASCRIPT rollover buttons for you to work with.

"If you can't code, use COFFEECUP!!!" B)

morrisnoblejr@yahoo.com

   Mon Sep 26, 2005    Reply         

DreamWeaver. Just look at its name. You have no idea how powerfull software hides behind a name of that. Just like Photoshop, it's a very powerfull software. If you are afraid of it's interface, look closer, it's so logically, and after just 1-2 hours you will get familiar with it.
If you never had contact with DreamWeaver before and you don't know where to start it would be the best to surf a bit, and find some tutorials to it... There is planty of tutorials on web, just dig out some and start learning. If you have access to public library rent a book there, really it can help you alot, there is some excellent books on DreamWeaver subject. Probably you will need a couple of days to leard DreamWeaver from a book. Anyway, after 1 week, (If you learn and work constantly) you will learn everything you need to know to get you started with DreamWeaver and you web.
Oh, and one more thing. Forgot about FrontPage. It's a piece of Sh*t from Microsoft, and it's for people who don't know how to use anything else except Word.

   Tue Sep 27, 2005    Reply         

Well i have only used Dreamweaver and only use that for all the sites i make . Its really good and dont think anything is better than that . Well from the things ive read it looks like FP produces very unprofessional pages . Well thats it .

   Mon Oct 17, 2005    Reply         

The reason because macromedia is so different to photoshop is because before adobe and macromedia weren't toegether.

Adobe developed Golive (currently golive CS2) with an interface similar to Photoshop and capable of keeping the tables and cell structures made by photoshop websites. I am not very introduced to macromedia's Dreamweaver, but when I've tried to load a html file made with Photoshop into Dreamweaver it has collapsed.

If fp stands for Frontpage, then macromedia Dreamweaver is better. Its interface is very plain when you understand the basics and it is a powerful tool. However I think Microsoft usually doesn't produce well finished programs, but just the necessary to run.

Here is a good comparision between both programs:

http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Software/fp/fpvsdw.htm

   Tue Oct 25, 2005    Reply         

dreamweaver is more powerful and flexible than Front Page for example:
with Front Page you can't edit and view PHP files
with dreamweaver you can connect to Databases and webservers

   Thu Oct 27, 2005    Reply         

I have both FrontPage 2003 and Dreamweaver MX 2004 installed on my machine. DW by far beats down FP with a log. It is more fluent, has a wider range of tools, components, the layout is better and more professional. But more importantly, when you are designing in WYSIWYG mode, the code generated is a heck-of-a lot more tidier and more compliant. The only errors caused in most cases are human errors. FP uses loads of redundent <font> tags and the likes.

   Fri Oct 28, 2005    Reply         

Frontpage is good, but DreamWeaver is the best.
For some reason, dreamweaver are very difficult to use. but several use it, it become easier and more exciting..
I can see the code/script when edit the WYSIWYG design. The code itself is colored-type, so i know when my script is wrong. Support many format, including web templates. Support to tables and layers, easy formatting, and finally, great website management ..

So, no doubt ... dreamweaver is best overall ... ;)

OSIRIS

   Thu Nov 17, 2005    Reply         

I have been using DW for over two years. It was scary for me who used to do coding in EditPlus. But since everybody in the new office was using DW, I had to switch over. But within a week, I was just glued to it. It gave me full power to develop applications in PHP. From that day, it (DW) has been my essential tool. I tried FP but I never liked it. After using DW, it was like using MSPaint after using Photoshop.

The html code generated by it (FP) really sucks. On the other hand, DW generates very clean code. The DW8 is really good. It has many new additions which really help the developers. For people who want to create static html sites, even they will like it.

   Thu Jan 12, 2006    Reply         

QUOTE (moonwitch)

I found FP makes pages sluggish, because it produces very poor code. I agree that DW is scarey at first, but giv e it a try, look up a tutorial if you have to (the Macromedia site itself is wonderful for that one). I found DW meet all my needs, though I admit to using TopStyle Lite for editting CSS for IPB Skins (just is smaller and starts up faster)

For simple sites, I just stick to Notepadd ++ which is like notepad but offers syntax highlighting for a lot of langauges, ConText is equally good btw. I just dislike FP a lot, and even though I have the full Office Pro with FP, I never install it. I once did, to write a tutorial on how to FTp your site to astahost from within FP, but I hate the program.

When i had classes in webdesign, HTML first. We had to WRITE the code on PAPER so we had to learn the tags etc. THen we were allowed to move to Glimmer, Vim, Vi, Emacs even LOL, or Gedit. (All text editors in Linux, but Emacs, it's an environment.) After a while we could use what we wanted for building sites, but on the finals Glimmer or Vi had to be used. I prefer Vim still :) Our final was this : recreate the slashdot.org site with everything, you can copy and reuse the graphics. But the site has to be hand coded (the teacher had copied ALL graphics, made a tarball out of them and we had the tarball and a screenshot of the site)






You are correct about FP i have used both programs and i found out that dreamweaver seems too be the best. It just easy too use if you know what your doing. And if you don't well it doesn't take long too learn. Its filled with alot of source codes php and alot of junk that you will need for making a website. I havn't tryed dreamweaver 2006 if its out yet.

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