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What is your opinion on Macromedia Dreamweaver MX?
I got a couple of days ago and want to know what your opinion on it is. From what I have used of it so far, i think it is absolutely awesome, the WYSIWYG feature makes it so much easier to put together.
I am currently using it to put my first personal template together, so it is web friendly. So far it has worked great and between IE and FireFox it appears almost identical.
What do you think of it?
I got a couple of days ago and want to know what your opinion on it is. From what I have used of it so far, i think it is absolutely awesome, the WYSIWYG feature makes it so much easier to put together.
I am currently using it to put my first personal template together, so it is web friendly. So far it has worked great and between IE and FireFox it appears almost identical.
What do you think of it?
My personal opinion on any type of WYSIWYG editors are that they completely suck no matter how powerful or how many features they have. The reason is because there is never that complete, coding freedom when you're working with programs like Dreamweaver. Whereas when you're working with pure HTML code, it gives you all the power you want.
Yes, I've worked with Dreamweaver before. Back when it first came out, I was still using Frontpage for some basic web design. A couple of my friends told me creating frames with Dreamweaver is way much easier than Frontpage. So tried it and yes it IS way much easier. But guess what? Nobody knows what's behind all that. All anyone knows when they use Dreamweaver is that they make this horizontal/vertical line that runs through the page and you can add stuff on either side as if the frame itself is a separator. Well technically it is, but the whole concept of frames is joining 2 sites together, not splitting one site which is the point Dreamweaver is giving its users.
There are some, who might ignore the WYSIWYG part of Dreamweaver but use its coding feature. I still find it fairly annoying to half-way through get like an auto-fill. Dreamweaver also has a specific layout for its codes but i prefer to do it my way and i think my way is much neater.
Overall, Dreamweaver could still be considered one of the best Website builders you could find in the market but with raw HTML, you could do way much more and learn it in the process.
Yes, I've worked with Dreamweaver before. Back when it first came out, I was still using Frontpage for some basic web design. A couple of my friends told me creating frames with Dreamweaver is way much easier than Frontpage. So tried it and yes it IS way much easier. But guess what? Nobody knows what's behind all that. All anyone knows when they use Dreamweaver is that they make this horizontal/vertical line that runs through the page and you can add stuff on either side as if the frame itself is a separator. Well technically it is, but the whole concept of frames is joining 2 sites together, not splitting one site which is the point Dreamweaver is giving its users.
There are some, who might ignore the WYSIWYG part of Dreamweaver but use its coding feature. I still find it fairly annoying to half-way through get like an auto-fill. Dreamweaver also has a specific layout for its codes but i prefer to do it my way and i think my way is much neater.
Overall, Dreamweaver could still be considered one of the best Website builders you could find in the market but with raw HTML, you could do way much more and learn it in the process.
I still use Dreamweaver for it's syntax highlighting and in document error checking. It is a lot easier using Dreamweaver code view to create my work than using Wordpad all of the time. I suppose if you do want syntax highlighting, then there is always notepad++
Dreamweaver causes little error, and the errors in the code that do appear are mainly due to human error.
I agree with technocian though, it is better to learn the core scripting language (HTML http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp) and I would also add that you look into styles and formatting with CSS (Cascading Style Sheets http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp) so that your pages become even more valid with HTML 4.1.
Dreamweaver causes little error, and the errors in the code that do appear are mainly due to human error.
I agree with technocian though, it is better to learn the core scripting language (HTML http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp) and I would also add that you look into styles and formatting with CSS (Cascading Style Sheets http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp) so that your pages become even more valid with HTML 4.1.
In my opinion, Dreamweaver is very, very good. And why I find it so good? Because it has helped me a lot. When I first started web designing I used Front Page. I had a book, too, but it was nothing special. Then after some time I switched to Dreamweaver. It was a blessing 
Even though it is completly different from FP I still got the hang of it. Now, DW is very good for newbies, but not only because it is a WYSIWYG editor, but also because it has a good of handling the code. I had no html knowledge before, but DW has changed that. While I was using it's graphic part I used to look at the source code and slowly started understanding quite a lot of things. The same way I learned the basics of CSS. You can make a CSS file in DW really easy.
Now I don't use the graphics part so much, but I still don't think that programming in notepad/wordpad is better. Why not use Dreamweaver's coding part and check once in a while how does it look. It is much more easy that way.
So, stick to Dreamweaver and explore the code a little bit, it will be helpful.
Even though it is completly different from FP I still got the hang of it. Now, DW is very good for newbies, but not only because it is a WYSIWYG editor, but also because it has a good of handling the code. I had no html knowledge before, but DW has changed that. While I was using it's graphic part I used to look at the source code and slowly started understanding quite a lot of things. The same way I learned the basics of CSS. You can make a CSS file in DW really easy.Now I don't use the graphics part so much, but I still don't think that programming in notepad/wordpad is better. Why not use Dreamweaver's coding part and check once in a while how does it look. It is much more easy that way.
So, stick to Dreamweaver and explore the code a little bit, it will be helpful.
Dreamweaver is what i started using when i first got into web stuff, and i've grown accustomed to using it. Not like i do such heavy work, but for what i use it for it's fine. i like to use the code interface as much as possible, as it helps my practice and knowledge, and yes, i like the auto-fill feature. But i'm not at a level where i can simply work in code and visualise the page creation in my mind, so i have to frequently refer to the wysiwyg layout, to fix a sticky mistake i made, or just to quickly view changes. all in all, i would say if you're not a hard-core coder, nothing is better than dreamweaver, especially version 8.
I agree that it is awesome. I learned it during my first college course for web design. I am a graphic person, I'm terrible at coding. What I love is that once I learned it, I can now concentrate more on seeing how the code is made while I'm working. Switching back and forth from the wysiwyg to the coder or the split view is helping me learn the coding part better now. Everybody learns things differently, Dreamweaver is helping me learn what I would have had a much harder time using a text editor.
Dreamweaver, I feel, is the best at what it does. It is a very well put together program, intuitive, and lets someone with little to no web knowledge create a profesisonal looking site. It is what I first used after learning basic html to make my pages go from basic to awesome. As mentioned though there is an inherent flaw in its design, the WYSIWYG idea.
Frankly it is an awesome piece of software but all of the editors such as this limit you. Dreamweaver does a great job but it will never be able to give the same freedom as hard coding everything. That having been said it does a better job then any other of these types of editors that I have ever used.
If you are in the market for a visual website editor, grab a copy of Dreamweaver
Frankly it is an awesome piece of software but all of the editors such as this limit you. Dreamweaver does a great job but it will never be able to give the same freedom as hard coding everything. That having been said it does a better job then any other of these types of editors that I have ever used.
If you are in the market for a visual website editor, grab a copy of Dreamweaver
I never really liked Dreamweaver and I never really used Frontpage. I started webdesign, with learning pure html and later css and was using a text editor with highlighting and that is what I prefer until now. I know people use photoshop to make their design and later they make the html out of it with some WYSIWYG editor.. but as I am used to create a layout in my head and make it by writing HTML with my hands I never really liked all of those WYSIWYG editors. It's lame for me to write hex codes and rows cells in an editor, I am not used I better do it myself, even though I know it is much faster, but I would need some time to get used to it. I have used software like Evrsoft First Page 2006, CoffeCup, but I did not like them too, unless for the scripts they can make, because I never got deep into javascript or the so called dhtml
But as I said, if I was using Dreamweaver, I think I could start liking it, many of my friends is using it and they are quite happy an I read a lot of good reviews about it. But some of my friends are using frontapge, I always comment to stop using it, the code it makes is really messy, I used to fix the html my friends created with frontpage and I really was angry how much better I could optimize it with my knowledge of html and hands. This is the main thing I hate about Editors that writes html on its own, it is not always w3c compatible too.
But as I said, if I was using Dreamweaver, I think I could start liking it, many of my friends is using it and they are quite happy an I read a lot of good reviews about it. But some of my friends are using frontapge, I always comment to stop using it, the code it makes is really messy, I used to fix the html my friends created with frontpage and I really was angry how much better I could optimize it with my knowledge of html and hands. This is the main thing I hate about Editors that writes html on its own, it is not always w3c compatible too.
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But as I said, if I was using Dreamweaver, I think I could start liking it, many of my friends is using it and they are quite happy an I read a lot of good reviews about it. But some of my friends are using frontapge, I always comment to stop using it, the code it makes is really messy, I used to fix the html my friends created with frontpage and I really was angry how much better I could optimize it with my knowledge of html and hands. This is the main thing I hate about Editors that writes html on its own, it is not always w3c compatible too.
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Exactly...like I've pointed out, some editors like Dreamweaver don't write the code YOUR style. Those who've been exposed to pure coding will realise this. That when writing code you always have tihs specific way of doing it, like putting comments before a tag or "tabbing" a certain sub-tag that comes after the main tag (Like tables and its rows and data). When i design a site on my own with pure HTML, when there's something wrong i usually know what exactly is wrong with it because I've done the code myself. But when someone hands me a super long script of HTML and tells me he did it in Dreamweaver and he couldn't get a certain image to display some way of sorts, I'll try to decipher the code but frankly, i can never read through all the extra junk Dreamweaver or Frontpage puts in that is really not required.
QUOTE (techocian)
Exactly...like I've pointed out, some editors like Dreamweaver don't write the code YOUR style. Those who've been exposed to pure coding will realise this. That when writing code you always have tihs specific way of doing it, like putting comments before a tag or "tabbing" a certain sub-tag that comes after the main tag (Like tables and its rows and data). When i design a site on my own with pure HTML, when there's something wrong i usually know what exactly is wrong with it because I've done the code myself. But when someone hands me a super long script of HTML and tells me he did it in Dreamweaver and he couldn't get a certain image to display some way of sorts, I'll try to decipher the code but frankly, i can never read through all the extra junk Dreamweaver or Frontpage puts in that is really not required.
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the only critique of dreamweaver i have found that i can possibly make is a two pointed attack on what is a wonderful software to design with. Firstly it is true that to a programmer dreamweaver often produces a messy or inconcise code. however the ease that dreamweaver allows the designer to add css style sheets and applying them with 2 clicks of the mouse to the table tag is awsome. although it is unfortunate that the user has to apply the style sheet to each page that they are designing separately. also the positioning of graphics and type could be givern more freedom in the program by allowing the graphic interface [property inspector, for those familiar] to allow the positioning of graphics on the page by a pixal co-ordinate as is done in the writting of html script this would allow the designer far more freedom and speed to design the page without the creation of complex tables.
having said this dreamweaver is a wounderful development tool and its ability to organise and upload with ftp every time the webpage is save makes it a must for any webdesigner.
Dreamwever must be one of the easiest and most simple program to use. Even for people that are just starting out creating websites and HTML codes its pretty easy. The ability to use both HTML code as well as WYSIWYG editor makes the program great for people who want to graphically design as well as code a website.
Other features like the sites and remote sites are very usefull for webmaster who want to easily, and most importantly quickly upload their websites to servers. The program features many great functions that automatically insert HTML code for you and all you need to do is fill in the balnks. The Flash Buttons are great as they can add simple charm to any basic website. The Snippets couldn't be any easier to use aswell, all you have to do is find the snippet you want to use and throw it in with the rest of the code, EASY!
Once again Macromedia has made another great product, shame it still costs a pretty penny.
Other features like the sites and remote sites are very usefull for webmaster who want to easily, and most importantly quickly upload their websites to servers. The program features many great functions that automatically insert HTML code for you and all you need to do is fill in the balnks. The Flash Buttons are great as they can add simple charm to any basic website. The Snippets couldn't be any easier to use aswell, all you have to do is find the snippet you want to use and throw it in with the rest of the code, EASY!
Once again Macromedia has made another great product, shame it still costs a pretty penny.
QUOTE (Jimmy89)
Dreamwever must be one of the easiest and most simple program to use. Even for people that are just starting out creating websites and HTML codes its pretty easy. The ability to use both HTML code as well as WYSIWYG editor makes the program great for people who want to graphically design as well as code a website.
Other features like the sites and remote sites are very usefull for webmaster who want to easily, and most importantly quickly upload their websites to servers. The program features many great functions that automatically insert HTML code for you and all you need to do is fill in the balnks. The Flash Buttons are great as they can add simple charm to any basic website. The Snippets couldn't be any easier to use aswell, all you have to do is find the snippet you want to use and throw it in with the rest of the code, EASY!
Once again Macromedia has made another great product, shame it still costs a pretty penny.
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Macromedia Dreamweaver is one of the best programs to create a web site or even just a homepage, i agree with you that it's one of the greates programs, but not so easy or simple for a newbie if you compare it with other WYSIWYG like NVU or even microsoft frontpage "though this one full of errors and bugs when it comes to tables or frameset".
Dreamweaver is not cheap ofcourse comparing to NVU which is a free easy and simple one, but anyway i belong to the classic scholl with notepad, just i upgraded it to notepad++ and that works for me, no need for already-made templates and so on.
i was using frontpage for a long time till i stopped that and moved to macromedia dreamweaver which really gave me whatever i want from a smart editor, specially with these functions you talked about like Flash buttons and easy switching between code, split and design view, it's a cool one, though i suggest you to go with just a free notepad, so much cheaper, huh?
I just want to add my quick two cents. I just got a copy of Dreamweaver MX. I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to wysiwyg. I've used a few that I've googled, but then went right to trying to figuring out coding on my own. Now, I've got this copy of DW, and what my intentions of doing with it are use what I can of the pop-up info boxes that you have to fill in and all the other bells and whistles, along with the coding that I already know. This way, I can go back and look at what I wanted done, say a table, and see the code and learn how it is done. Doing things like this over a few times will build my skills strong enough to let me do it on my own.
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I just want to add my quick two cents. I just got a copy of Dreamweaver MX. I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to wysiwyg. I've used a few that I've googled, but then went right to trying to figuring out coding on my own. Now, I've got this copy of DW, and what my intentions of doing with it are use what I can of the pop-up info boxes that you have to fill in and all the other bells and whistles, along with the coding that I already know. This way, I can go back and look at what I wanted done, say a table, and see the code and learn how it is done. Doing things like this over a few times will build my skills strong enough to let me do it on my own.
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Yeah, this how the big boys got all thier skills in time we hadn't so much people who know about computer so we dealt with it like this, view source page and then you know what is a href=... means and so on, that's why big boys are much better than the new guys
I've never used dreamweaver i have before because i have been a frontpage fan, i might turn to dreamweaver if i don't like the new microsoft office frontpage. It gets annoying in frontpage how sometimes it just doesn't want to upload your files and i need to manually upload them with an external ftp client.
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In my opinion dreamweaver is the only program that I found that offers the features that I need to make my web pages. Its easy interface, gives me access to the variety of options I need to implement from a basic web site to a complex one. Unlike many others web editors that I have tried, I dont feel as restricted when Im designing a web site. So far I used dreamweaver to design multiple website, that were html, xhtml, flash, half flash and half html. The features that dreamweaver provides for me when making these web pages I was able to effeciently develop them with little frustration.
Also I have yet to find a glitch in the program, maybe its because Im doing most of the design in the coding and not using the special buttons most of the time. But nevertheless its a program that I have yet to look away from when designing web pages.
One of the best features that I think dreamweaver offers is the ease of creating CSS sheets. THere are those times when I totally couldnt remmber the syntax for a certain font or text attritbute for CSS, and with dreamweaver it automatically can help you find or add the attribute for you if you dont happen to remember what the syntax is.
Without dreamweaver I might as well be a pretty crippled designer, but like the real world, we always will need to learn to adapt.
Also I have yet to find a glitch in the program, maybe its because Im doing most of the design in the coding and not using the special buttons most of the time. But nevertheless its a program that I have yet to look away from when designing web pages.
One of the best features that I think dreamweaver offers is the ease of creating CSS sheets. THere are those times when I totally couldnt remmber the syntax for a certain font or text attritbute for CSS, and with dreamweaver it automatically can help you find or add the attribute for you if you dont happen to remember what the syntax is.
Without dreamweaver I might as well be a pretty crippled designer, but like the real world, we always will need to learn to adapt.
It enchants to me, although I do not occupy it in its totality, because not to program itself either in PHP nor ASP…
It's essential for every webmaster on earth 
i guess the most productive feature is be able to setup your site and update it in real time you get a file manager with the web editing tool cool
i guess the most productive feature is be able to setup your site and update it in real time you get a file manager with the web editing tool cool
I don't like DreamWeaver very much. I downloaded the free trial because there was so many good comments about it. When I ran the program, it took sooo long to load. I'd recommand 1st Page 2000 or 1st Page 2006. They don't take so long to load, they have many features, and 1st Page 2000 is free. They also supply some scripts ready made.
I think dreamweaver 8 is the complete package for web designing, mind you i haven't use all it's features and what not. But the fac they have no junk code whatsoever, makes my day. If it wasn't for that $400+ price tag this would be even a better top selling software.
I favor dreamweaver, because it gives me the ability to see what I am designing. It has more than one mode of operation and can be used at various levels. For example, a user that does not know much of coding can actually use its design interface and just draw and layout tables as they see fit. But you can totally use the program at an advanced stage where you can just code the whole thing as is. And with that, while your coding you can actually see what design you have made through the code you have wrote on the fly.
Unlike the old method of doing it in notepad and saving it as a html file and then checking it if it looks right, Dreamweaver helps designers design from more than one perspective and at a convenience level that benifits the designer in many ways. There is a lot of ways and features that dreamweaver offers and it is certaintly the best WYSIWYG editors that I have experienced thus far. You are capable of learning HTML as you are designing. A program worth the money, not like the others that I have tried.
Unlike the old method of doing it in notepad and saving it as a html file and then checking it if it looks right, Dreamweaver helps designers design from more than one perspective and at a convenience level that benifits the designer in many ways. There is a lot of ways and features that dreamweaver offers and it is certaintly the best WYSIWYG editors that I have experienced thus far. You are capable of learning HTML as you are designing. A program worth the money, not like the others that I have tried.
I think it's way better than other popular WYSIWYG editors like Frontpage. Mostly because of its handy Auto-Upload function, some other programs have that too, but it's not the same.
I think if you have a website, this program is a MUST have.
I think if you have a website, this program is a MUST have.
It's good...But most of its features are more useful for newbies. You see, many things are easier to do with you type the codes than trying to make it through some DW menu...
But it's wonderful, the best WYSIWYG software, be sure.
It's nice for you to make your codes. And has a perfect FTP integrated.
But it's wonderful, the best WYSIWYG software, be sure.
It's nice for you to make your codes. And has a perfect FTP integrated.
I have Dreamweaver MX and it is a very helpful program. I really like it, because it makes it easier to code a webpage, for a newbie to coding like me. Very helpful indeed.
It is a very well put together program, intuitive.. really essential for every webmaster on earth!
I've gone back to Dreamweaver and very impressed. With the Adobe buyout of Macromedia, and GoLive will likely fail so I switched last fall.
I must say that after many years not using Dreamweaver and using text editors like Notepad++ I have been swayed to come back to the latest version of Dreamweaver.
What I have always liked about it is the fact if you set your sites up properly in the site manager and have something like Xammp running the exact same versions of Apache and PHP its very easy to test CMS systems locally.
I use Joomla a lot on production sites that I make and I got sick and tired of connecting to the net to change things.
I still use Notepad++ all the time with Dreamweaver cos I am just so used to using it, I tend to do all the easy graphical stuff in Dreamweaver I love the fact that you can just drag and drop stuff your working on in Photoshop into Dreamweaver but then switch to Notepad++ if I have any problems with the code.
For me mistakes jump out of the page at me in Notepad++ but the code view in Dreamweaver is not so good.
But I do love the FTP functions that Dreamweaver offers, but again there is still limitations in what the FTP part can do so I tend to go back to Bulletproof FTP to set permissions etc etc.
I hope that when Adobe get their act together they will release kind of an ultimate design package that has Photoshop/Image Ready/Fireworks/Illustrator and Dreamweaver all built together in one seamless package.
This would cut down down the overhead on your pc of having all these things open at one time I hope.
On my laptop I tend to have to close Illustrator to be able to open Photoshop otherwise it will start crashing when I copy and paste stuff from one to the other.
What I have always liked about it is the fact if you set your sites up properly in the site manager and have something like Xammp running the exact same versions of Apache and PHP its very easy to test CMS systems locally.
I use Joomla a lot on production sites that I make and I got sick and tired of connecting to the net to change things.
I still use Notepad++ all the time with Dreamweaver cos I am just so used to using it, I tend to do all the easy graphical stuff in Dreamweaver I love the fact that you can just drag and drop stuff your working on in Photoshop into Dreamweaver but then switch to Notepad++ if I have any problems with the code.
For me mistakes jump out of the page at me in Notepad++ but the code view in Dreamweaver is not so good.
But I do love the FTP functions that Dreamweaver offers, but again there is still limitations in what the FTP part can do so I tend to go back to Bulletproof FTP to set permissions etc etc.
I hope that when Adobe get their act together they will release kind of an ultimate design package that has Photoshop/Image Ready/Fireworks/Illustrator and Dreamweaver all built together in one seamless package.
This would cut down down the overhead on your pc of having all these things open at one time I hope.
On my laptop I tend to have to close Illustrator to be able to open Photoshop otherwise it will start crashing when I copy and paste stuff from one to the other.
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I think it's way better than other popular WYSIWYG editors like Frontpage. Mostly because of its handy Auto-Upload function, some other programs have that too, but it's not the same.I think if you have a website, this program is a MUST have.
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I don't think frontpage should even be in the same class as dreamweaver. There i think you can draw the line, that Frontpage is a WYSIWYG editor for absolute newbies, but then when you get to a more professional level, you have Dreamweaver or plain coding. I think Dreamweaver is just as good as a text editor, you get the option to only work in code as well if that's what you prefer. But a more visually oriented person who could be just as talented as the coder can use the graphic or the split layout, and get their work accomplished a lot faster, because they can see the project in its final form as it's built.
i don't have dreamweaver, i wasn't sure if i wanted to spen to money on it, just in case i didn't like it or was unhappy. But i think i might buy it after reading all these. But what is it? Is it only web design or what??
Oh I love Dreamweaver. We used Frontpage in high school, and I got experience using that, but I didn't really like it all that much. Once I got into college, I got to use Dreamweaver and I must say, it is the superior of the two. I was commissioned years later to redo my high school's website (that I had originally designed while I was still going there) and switched everything over to dreamweaver. Oh it looks so much nicer (though, that may be partially due to the fact that I had more experience). Several pages needed to look the same, and I designed them the same in Dreamweaver as they were in Frontpage, and the file size was three times the size in Frontpage than the Dreamweaver version. Microsoft throws in so much unnecessary code with Frontpage design, it's crazy!
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