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QUOTE(xboxrulz @ Sep 30 2008, 09:45 AM) I would add UAC as part of your "defense grid" because it isn't wise to turn off a system security feature. That's like being too lazy to turn on your house alarm every night. Not wise at all.I'm used to this type of system since I run a lot of UNIX like operating system. They have this function built into it since the 1970s.xb... read more.
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User Account Control

FirefoxRocks
I'm sure most of you know about Windows Vista's User Account Control. I was wondering if there were any registry settings or anything that I could modify to force the UAC prompt to appear when doing these tasks:
  • Clicking the Start button
  • Opening any folder
  • Launching any application
  • Adjusting personalization settings
  • Opening a new page in Internet Explorer (by that I mean typing in a URL, from Favourites or by clicking a link)
  • Turning off, sleep or restarting the computer
  • Modifying the Windows Sidebar
  • Opening any file (mp3, document, anything)
There's probably more things I want to trigger the UAC prompt that I can't think of right now, but that is the most of it. Is there anything I can do to allow this behaviour in Windows?

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wutske
wow, what are you trying to do ? Make someone crazy or something ? tongue.gif
Maybe you can set the triggers using the mmc (start>run>mmc)?

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FirefoxRocks
I absolutely LOVE User Account Control!! It's one of the better things put into Windows Vista. Once I can get more triggers in I'll use a limited account to do most things instead of my normal administrative account.

I'll try using Microsoft Management Console and see how that works.

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xboxrulz
You're the only person I know that is hyping up this function. It's great in theory and the only operating system family that I see it working the best is on UNIX. Microsoft's catching up, but there are just so many bugs in that system, it's not recommendable to use it every instance. However, I recommend leaving it on because without it Windows is worse without it. That's why I like UNIX's sudo function instead.

The reason why UAC can't do the things you're doing right now is because the actions you listed above doesn't warrant a required Administrator access to the files, folders or actions. This is the only way you can invoke the UAC to pop up. Like if the UAC pops up every time the start button is pressed, I'll lose my mind since sometimes I hit the Windows key by accident when playing a game. Then having the game minimized and the UAC popping up, thus lagging my machine, I'll definitely lose my mind because that's precious minute gone ... especially that's disastrous online.

Anyways, goodluck with that.... and I thought Microsoft was out to annoy us with the default settings of UAC *rollseyes*.

xboxrulz

 

 

 


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magiccode9
All other items I agree you action except the start button.
Personally, I don't see anything on that related with security issue.
May I ask you reason ?


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tansqrx
I have no firm proof but my guess is that no you can’t make UAC pop up for arbitrary reasons. The reason is that UAC is a protected function and can in theory only be accessed by the operating system. When the UAC prompt is displayed you are actually seeing a different protected desktop that only has a screen capture of your user desktop underneath. The UAC prompt is displayed at some of the lowest levels of Vista and is currently unavailable to the average programmer.

The reason is that if I were a malware author that wanted to get my software installed on a UAC protected system, I would just change some registry settings before I started the install. (This is a famous problem with the SP2 firewall because you can simply add a rule by adding a registry entry.) If that didn’t work I would then make a program that took control of the mouse and then move the mouse to the UAC accept button and programmatically click the button thus defeating the entire concept of UAC. For this reason UAC is a very protected entity and only the operating system has access to monkeying around with it.

If there were some way to add or remove UAC features it would be in the group policy settings which you can get to from the Administrative Tools or from MMC. Group policy is usually used on corporate domains but you can set most of the settings for a stand alone machine.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Man...licy-Part1.html

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=en

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FirefoxRocks
Keep in mind that I am running Windows Vista Home Premium, not Business or Ultimate. I may not have access to certain features on Windows Vista.

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Atomic0
Most Windows users want to remove User Account Control (UAC), instead of enabling it on more functions. I personally think it is not practical to have the User Account Control prompt up everytime you click on the Windows start button or open a folder. The only use of this really is if you wanted to play around with someone else's computer as a joke.

I think the only possible way to change this option would be to edit some registry settings or modify the operating system itself, which would require a high level of programming knowledge and skill. Technically, Microsoft didn't really design the User Account Control to be used in such a way (It was mainly designed to protect the editing of significantly important settings and functions that could affect the operating system in terms of security) so you may not be able to set the User Account Control to do what you want it to do.

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Lancer
Hey xboxrulz... both Linux and Mac have sudo, right?

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FirefoxRocks
If you check the Linux subforum, you can also see that I asked a similar question there regarding the use of sudo but without actually running things as root.

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Jezstarr
QUOTE(xboxrulz @ Sep 30 2008, 09:45 AM) *
I would add UAC as part of your "defense grid" because it isn't wise to turn off a system security feature. That's like being too lazy to turn on your house alarm every night. Not wise at all.

I'm used to this type of system since I run a lot of UNIX like operating system. They have this function built into it since the 1970s.

xboxrulz

Yes, i suppose. But then again i can admit that I am lazy but because I know that it's not a massive part of my pc security but from to time i have turned it back on.

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xboxrulz
I would add UAC as part of your "defense grid" because it isn't wise to turn off a system security feature. That's like being too lazy to turn on your house alarm every night. Not wise at all.

I'm used to this type of system since I run a lot of UNIX like operating system. They have this function built into it since the 1970s.

xboxrulz

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Jezstarr
The User Account Control feature in Vista is pretty nifty, but tbh it annoys me. I eventually turned it off but only because i trust my anti-virus as the UAC can be very handy when it comes to unauthorized happenings if you understand me.


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