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Religion and contradictions Religious Contradiction Science seeks objective truth. Its application (applied science) is technology. Normally an application of truth is done with an eye on profit. This means that when commercialized it becomes corrupt. Spirituality seeks subjective truth. Its application ( shall I say applied spirituality) is religion. Here also the application of truth is done with an eye on profit. A spirit seeker always looks inwards. He is normally not bothered about ...
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QUOTE(Mafamba Team @ Nov 3 2006, 09:30 AM)  Is it really true that every world religion is swimming in its gigantic own swimming pools of contradiction? I personally believe the answer to the above question is yes. Let me just outline some basic contradictions in all world religions: Christianity - Love thy neighbour despite the fact your neighbour is destined to go to hell if they are not Christian. Has no real religion anymore. Catholicism was completely changed in the 14-1500's and has never returned to its true teachings. Protestantism is not the direct word of Jesus, as very few would know this, considering it was based on the foundations of Catholicism, which was ultimately corrup at the time, so anything they may have written would be incorrect, and in accurate. My Conclusion: Christianity is now an overall commercialised religion. .......... People use the same BS arguement to say that science keeps changing its mind about things and therefore it is meaningless. The truth is that both religion and science change their mind about almost nothing and this argument is a silly product of rhetoric which can only convince fools. The fact that both science and religion adapt only means that they are alive and well and nothing more. Commercialization is a pervasive fact of modern society which affects only "public" perception of everything but really affect nothing for those who are actually involved and take it seriously. Science is an excellent example of this as well.
mitchell hit it on the head from my point of view, I automatically thought of how it was scientifically "proven" that the world was flat and the universe revolved around the earth. I won't deny that most/all religions have contradictions within them but the only reason they are contradictions and not "updated facts" is because of religions basis on faith and not "scientific fact" which, as pointed out, isn't necessarily fact but simply what is perceived as fact.
I'm a Christian and also one of the first people to usually point out your side of the argument. Christianity IS full of contradicitons (I wouldn't comment on the others since I don't know enough about them to be fair) but at the same time that just means (in my opionion) you must study as you see fit and come to your own conclusions. Christianity is based off human interpretation of Gods will for us, so obviously there is room for error especially after the Bible has been re-translated so many times. Frankly, religion and science are both basically "use the best information we have".
Well, I'm not quite sure what Mafamba is trying to say when he/she pointed out the contradictions in religion. But to me, that is a very good point. Let's face it, people treat religion differently than science. Scientific facts can changed anytime but a religious edict is divine and therefore, it cannot be wrong. What mitchellmckain and Jeigh have said about religion adapting and using the best information available is unfortunately, not shared by lots of other religious people.
QUOTE(yeh @ Nov 5 2006, 12:09 AM) Well, I'm not quite sure what Mafamba is trying to say when he/she pointed out the contradictions in religion. But to me, that is a very good point. Let's face it, people treat religion differently than science. Scientific facts can changed anytime but a religious edict is divine and therefore, it cannot be wrong. What mitchellmckain and Jeigh have said about religion adapting and using the best information available is unfortunately, not shared by lots of other religious people. But I said just the opposite. I said that neither science nor religion really change very much at all except in the very beginning when they are still trying to figure things out. Sure Relativity and Quantum mechanics was a big change, but so was the Protestant reformation (and counter-reformation), but on the other the other hand these changes left the core of both science and religion unchanged. We still teach Newtonian physics in high school and in a college introductory physics course, just as Christians still hold to the same cannon of the Bible and the Nicean creed. I was simply making the point that the changes which do occur do not invalidate them but just the opposite that they indicate their continued strength and usefulness. In fact, just as you say, the greater willingness of science to change is an advantage in science rather than a weakness. QUOTE Hinduism - Yes, it appears that it is the breeder of all world religions, a thread which I am sure you must of seen. But that does not necessarily make it the right religion to belong to. Does it? Is there really a God for all the different elements (nearly) on the earth? Do you really think it is God or God's intention(s) that you must complete complicated procedures to be a Hindu? Yes it has many find, beautiful and quite frankly fascinating sections to it, but on the whole, isn't it just odd that there is a God for the elements. Do you not think that a God created everything. Even though there is so much proof and scientific evidence against the religion, it still practices and is still the 3rd largest world religion Hii, I will like to make a point out here to Mafamba Team .I dont know how did you get the facts about Hinduism.Did you read any of the holy texts like the Upanishads or the Vedas or the Puranas or the Gita or did you get the information indirectly from other sources. Lets make the facts clear if you would have read the Holy Books then you will find that the Gods which you have defined are the way to the Supreme being..There is only the absolute the AUM and nothing is outside it or beyond it.Even when one chants any of the thousand of mantra it begines with Aum because it is everything..By praying to so called many Gods and Goddeses they are actually praying to Aum.Five elements which you are talking about are by which the whole universe is made of... Also To me Hinduism is a very scientific.You can ask any question regarding Hinduism...
I donno much about Scientology except the fact that many influential ppl are following this religion including Tom Cruise.It is a blend of eastern mystic and western belief.As far as the issue of conversion is concerned it is following the footsteps of Christianity,Islam (as these religion seeked converts during their yonger days and even now....)
I think religion is a way of life. Some people took it so seriously that they started their will on others on the name of religion. Some even went farther and started killing and raping on the name of religion. All it is that depends on interpretation of every religion. Christianity and Islam are more conservative because they go by one book. While Buddhism, Sikhism and Hinduism seem to be freer in nature and more adaptive to change , they do not deliberately convert people.
QUOTE(Mafamba Team @ Nov 6 2006, 04:36 PM) Thankyou - I now havethat cleared up, and obviouslt the sources which I gathered that evidence were in accurate. Also, another question for the topic!! Is Scientology secretly trying to get people to convert, with every new scientific and/or religious breakthrough it has? Is Scientology a true religion? Science is not a religion. Science does not tell about ethics. Religion is supposed to shape one's personal life as well as social life. The Religions should not have any say whether the earth is flat or round it’s none of their business nor are they qualified to do so. Their interference in scientific studies only exposes them. The same way science should not interfere in ethics, love and similar things. For an example Love is a mere sexual attraction according to science but religion has a different way to look at it, which also considers feelings of human beings and the social impact of such union. Thats why Scientology can not be a religion So in my opinion Science and Religion are two tracks of train, they never should meet but help the train along its path of life. QUOTE(Mafamba Team @ Nov 6 2006, 09:36 AM) Is Scientology a true religion? You know I have seen a lot of marketing schemes and mail order companies that operate a lot like a religion in the way the promote their product (Usana for example). It is that blurring of the lines which makes it particularly hard to classify scientology. Is this simply a new type of non-traditional medicine? Is it a new pyramid scheme? Or is it a religion in the tradition of the far east like Buddhism which does not claim divine revelation. It certainly partakes of many of the aspects of a self-help organization as well. Scientology certainly has been targeted by more than the usual number and severity of allegations leveled at a new religion. This could be because it does not include any kind of moral standard or objective. The practice of paying members commissions on new recruits they bring in, is one of the more decisive indications that this is more of a pyramid like business than a church. Latest Entries
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Religious Contradiction Science seeks objective truth. Its application (applied science) is technology. Normally an application of truth is done with an eye on profit. This means that when commercialized it becomes corrupt. Spirituality seeks subjective truth. Its application ( shall I say applied spirituality) is religion. Here also the application of truth is done with an eye on profit. A spirit seeker always looks inwards. He is normally not bothered about others or outside world. While the objective truth seeker always look outward. I do not know if I made it very clear. Please correct me if I am wrong ASHOK
QUOTE(demolaynyc @ Feb 15 2007, 11:31 PM) If you are one of those who deny God, look back and think about what you felt about commiting these "sins". Did you feel any remorse? I feel bad if i have wronged another, but thats not cus i wanna get in gods good books, its because whoever i have wronged is a living person. They are an intelegent life form and think freely. And we come to ur theory on sinning, are u actually saying that only atheists sin and dont regret it? The other thing in ur post, yuhuu, u contradicted urself. u said only ppl that dont like to sin seek the truth, but u also said that sinners will seek a way to prove gods not real, wouldnt that also be seeking the truth? PS. havn't humans found skeletons of half evolved humans, because if you keep adapting theres actually going to be mutations after a while. Im not saying evolution took overnight it took billions of years. Like if you had a bunch of horses and u breed the biggest ones together, and repeated this for a hundred years, you would have a bigger breed of horse. Just like if the smartest monkeys breed(makes sense cause they have inntelagence in common) you would end up with a verry slightly smarter monkey, rinse and repeat, and in a million years u have the first step towards human likeness! QUOTE(yuhuu @ Feb 14 2007, 11:37 PM) 1) not only that..to create a new species, It must happen a lot if not millions of DNA mutations. That is impossible to happen by chance..,,besides that,,if you try to breed different species is impossible because they have different pair of cromosomes..OK..you have your point..Some especies adapt to their surroundings,,but does that mean that it is a new species? ,,or just that it adapted..You know,,if it adapted,,then there is no DNA mutation,,and There is no new species.. 2) About the contradictions...In my experience,,only people that love some kind of sin,,is the people that find any reason,,to try to deny Gods reality..Other people,,find sense in their religion... 3) Wrapping all up, people who likes to sin, will find any excuse to stay in a relativism about good and evil ( everything depends on your point of view...yada yada yada ) and people who do not like to sin,,will seek the truth,,and the truth will set them free...You know Jesus is the truth.. Well this is just an opinion,, I did not try to offend, I just tried to point some experiences I had... Adding on to this (I hope you don't mind) is that those who like to sin and want to find the facts to prove it's ok to do these things will try to deny God's existence. But those who are broken down and have become so low in society (not saying that you have to) have tried to look for someone. They turn to God when they find out about him. If you are one of those who deny God, look back and think about what you felt about commiting these "sins". Did you feel any remorse?
1) not only that..to create a new species, It must happen a lot if not millions of DNA mutations. That is impossible to happen by chance..,,besides that,,if you try to breed different species is impossible because they have different pair of cromosomes..OK..you have your point..Some especies adapt to their surroundings,,but does that mean that it is a new species? ,,or just that it adapted..You know,,if it adapted,,then there is no DNA mutation,,and There is no new species..
2) About the contradictions...In my experience,,only people that love some kind of sin,,is the people that find any reason,,to try to deny Gods reality..Other people,,find sense in their religion... 3) Wrapping all up, people who likes to sin, will find any excuse to stay in a relativism about good and evil ( everything depends on your point of view...yada yada yada ) and people who do not like to sin,,will seek the truth,,and the truth will set them free...You know Jesus is the truth.. Well this is just an opinion,, I did not try to offend, I just tried to point some experiences I had... QUOTE(noddy @ Feb 12 2007, 10:30 PM) But i think that chistianity has its BAD bits too. Like the garden of Eden, its a proven fact: evolution happens. In australia since the introduction of cane toads lots of australian critters are dying because they try and eat the toads, but some animals are evolving and adapting to the poisen. Thats EVOLUTION!!!!!! As Christians, we don't deny evolution entirely. I agree that living things adapt to their environment such as IMMUNITY. The Spaniards were immuned to the disease they brought upon the Native Americans. That's a fact for sure and is foolish to deny. Survival of the fittest is also true because if a specie can't survive then it's doomed to extinction. But the idea that we have come from single-celled organisms is not
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