Looking For Linux

FirefoxRocks

Oct 23 2007, 09:56 PM

Ok I have tried Linux before, it was ok, until something with the kernel screwed up and it left me with a command line interface that I didn't know what to do.

I am looking for 2 different distributions of Linux here, my first one is for:

(Currently running Windows XP SP2)
A computer with 512 MB RAM
Pentium 4 processor
Internet Access
GNOME or KDE desktop, doesn't matter
Minimal command line work!!! Absolutely no command line work when installing.

I have tried Ubuntu, it was easy enough. Anything easier than Ubuntu and I'll give it a try.

My second choice is for:

(Currently running Windows 98 SE)
A computer with 64 MB RAM
Celeron processor - speed is 384mHz
No internet access
CD drive doesn't work
GNOME or KDE desktop

I would like to run a server for development purposes if I can (for the 2nd choice), otherwise I will have to use the newer computer for the server.

(Ignore that, I threw out the old computer and kept the hard drive.)

As long as I can browse the Internet, block emails, access OpenOffice.org, print and not have to worry about the command line, I'm happy. Any suggestions here?

xboxrulz

Oct 23 2007, 10:24 PM

I heavily recommend SuSE Linux, as for your system dropping out of graphical, it must be a driver fault or you might of messed up the X server's configuration files...

xboxrulz

Jeigh

Oct 23 2007, 10:32 PM

If you want to use linux, especially for something like a server, you REALLY should take the time to learn the very basics of the command line. 20-30minutes can leave you with a base understanding of how to navigate and pull off basic tasks using the command line so in the incident that something of that nature occurs you are not up the creek without a paddle so to speak. Further once you know the command line you probably will actually enjoy using it for various things

xboxrulz

Oct 23 2007, 10:51 PM

I also highly recommend Linux for Dummies, I learnt basically everything Linux from that book. Plus, it handy if you need to work on other UNIX systems like MacOS X.

xboxrulz

vujsa

Oct 24 2007, 06:51 AM

Well, Linux is Linux...

I've always ended up with pretty much the same installation system and you can choose whatever options you want to install such as server programs and the GUI. However, I haven't been happy with the server operation I encountered with the included programs. Basically, I couldn't figure out how to get it to work...

I do have a guide for installing Apache, PHP, Perl, and MySQL on a Linux system but haven't had a chance to try it out...

I really didn't like Ubuntu, Red Hat was okay and I currently have Fedora Core installed. The installers were graphical but it was difficult to set up the dual boot with my Windows system.

I only use it to play around with and hopefully figure out how to setup a viable web server.

Seems like GRUB works better that the alternative boot loaders.

Hope this helps.

vujsa

yordan

Oct 24 2007, 01:35 PM

Personnally, I love Mandrake and Mandriva, it's free version.
Definitively I would say that, if you are a real beginner and if you don't want to use command line instructions, use Mandriva. You simply have to boot on the install CD. It's fully graphic and you simply have to accept the default answer to each question, and it will install a standard and fully usable system.
Of course, if you are really unlucky, you can have drivers problem. Then, sorry, try another distro, you only waste time because the Mandriva release is free.

.:Brian:.

Oct 24 2007, 05:54 PM

I personally like ubuntu the best....it offers the easiest to install...and supports so much in the terms of hardware right out of the box, especially with the new version. With ubuntu you won't have so many of the hardware issues....it is much more like windows in detecting the hardware you have, and automatically installing drivers. And if you have a restricted driver (such as for an nVidia or ATI graphics card), it simply has a little icon saying that some are available, and you click a couple buttons and away you go with the installation.

As for your second machine are you wanting that to be command line free as well? (because usually servers are just command line, in order to not have to use as many resources on running the computer)

FirefoxRocks

Oct 25 2007, 12:48 PM

Ok I am installing Ubuntu again on this computer. I will give Mandriva a try later on.

As for the server, I would prefer it to be a GUI, I have little resources on that system as noted above and it isn't a live server anyways.

Laurence

Oct 27 2007, 06:41 AM

I was reading about suse linux, but I haven't tried it tried it my self, I hear that it's really good, and in some opinions better than ubuntu.

But if you want something that is incredibly easy to install, I would recommend ubuntu. The newest version is so easy to make your computer dual-boot if you don't want want to loose windows. In my experience all of the good linux platforms I've tried had some command line work involved when installing things, it's pretty easy once you understand everything and how it works.

FirefoxRocks

Oct 27 2007, 08:57 PM

Ok I installed Ubuntu 7.04, upgraded to 7.10 when it prompted me but then the computer won't start Linux properly!!!

I had to go into recovery mode (or whatever they call it) and I tried typing in some things and it worked!!!

I think I used apt-get and dpkg or something like that.

I don't know if I actually want to set up a server or not, I can always stay after school to work on stuff on the real server. But I have one small problem on Ubuntu: Firefox doesn't work!!! I click the icon, it says "Starting Firefox Web browser" and it goes away. In the task manager thing, it doesn't even start the process. How can I fix it?

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Hooont

Jul 27 2008, 08:54 PM

Fedora----fedora---Fedora

FirefoxRocks

Jul 12 2008, 05:08 AM

QUOTE(docduke @ Jul 11 2008, 09:02 PM)

For your 64 MB system, I suggest you consider buying some more RAM, specifically, 128 MB that is compatible with what you already have. I have upgraded several computers using "old" RAM from others, and I can tell you this much from direct experience.

Windows 95, 98 and ME can use a maximum of 192 MB of RAM.
Any version of Windows will run faster with more RAM, up to the maximum it can use.
You can put in up to 768 MB. If you go to 1 GB, they will think there is 0 MB present, and refuse to boot.
Even if Linux will run in 64 MB, it will run much faster in 192 MB, by reducing the use of a swap file.

I am running 768 MB in a multi-boot machine which has Win 98, Win 2K Pro and SuSE Linux. The latter two really benefit from the extra RAM, and Win 98 uses what it is able to.

I agree with the recommendation of DSL if you want to stay with 64 MB, and even if you upgrade the memory, if the CPU is slow. DSL is Damn Small Linux, for those of you in Rio Linda. For you lurkers, note that DSL does not support some recent hardware. It uses the 2.4 kernel, so many of the latest additions are not in it. This is how it manages to run in limited memory, but it may be the best choice on older systems. To highlight a few things from the DSL Information Page --
Damn Small is small enough and smart enough to do the following things:

Boot from within a host operating system (that's right, it can run *inside* Windows)
Run very nicely from an IDE Compact Flash drive via a method we call "frugal install"
Run light enough to power a 486DX with 16MB of Ram
Run fully in RAM with as little as 128MB (you will be amazed at how fast your computer can be!)

These options make it very easy to try out, if you're not sure whether you want to get further into it. However, expect that you will need to do some things in a shell (the command-line interface).

Thanks for that information but I threw out the old computer and just kept the hard drive.

xboxrulz

Jul 12 2008, 04:30 AM

If you run Linux with less than 128MB RAM, the X server that renders graphics on your system will have trouble running since that's the bare minimum to run X Server.

xboxrulz

docduke

Jul 12 2008, 02:02 AM

Windows 95, 98 and ME can use a maximum of 192 MB of RAM.
Any version of Windows will run faster with more RAM, up to the maximum it can use.
You can put in up to 768 MB. If you go to 1 GB, they will think there is 0 MB present, and refuse to boot.
Even if Linux will run in 64 MB, it will run much faster in 192 MB, by reducing the use of a swap file.

Boot from within a host operating system (that's right, it can run *inside* Windows)
Run very nicely from an IDE Compact Flash drive via a method we call "frugal install"
Run light enough to power a 486DX with 16MB of Ram
Run fully in RAM with as little as 128MB (you will be amazed at how fast your computer can be!)

These options make it very easy to try out, if you're not sure whether you want to get further into it. However, expect that you will need to do some things in a shell (the command-line interface).

canalilha

Jul 11 2008, 02:08 PM

i recommend debian or some os based on debian..

debian is very easy and have a lot of debians translated for you language..
here in brazil, there is.

i learned a lot of things about linux using debian..
and apt-get is like a gift hehehe

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