How To Punish A Client? - when he steal your work...

finaldesign

Apr 28 2005, 04:53 PM

Hi!

I've recently designed some web for one client, and after 6 months he refuses to pay me my money, and when I uploaded my work to his servers just to see how it works, he changed all access passwords and now he claims that my work is not good enough, and that Im too slow at that...

So how to communicate with clients like that? should I just bruteforce into his web and delete everything? what would you do in that kind of situation... ?

jipman

Apr 28 2005, 05:42 PM

Well...

I think you should do these things if you make something for someone.

First, create the site on your own server, and ask if the client likes it, if he does, let him pay up and then send him his stuff. If not, no sweat, just rm.

But this helpes of course nothing to your current situation, I think that you just have to step to him in person and ask him your money OR return of your stuff. Or else, I would start a legal procedure (only if it's a quite big deal of money of course).

miCRoSCoPiC^eaRthLinG

Apr 28 2005, 05:53 PM

Kill him

Do a DDoS attack on his server.. lol.. j/k

ebbinger_413

Apr 28 2005, 07:33 PM

well...if you are certified to do this kind of work for money...i suggest you take legal actioins

if not...destroy him

(i would use a key logger and grab the new passwords...then change the password on him

)

shahidiimran

Apr 29 2005, 05:08 AM

tell him what you can do to him becoz you shud have some way to contact him through your site, tell him and ask him to be professional and pay your money, or just give me my contents back, thats nopt fair that he is using as well as no paying.....

i will pray for you money...

cheers up

finaldesign

Apr 29 2005, 08:28 AM

hey people, thanks for your support... I have a plan now:

1.st I will wait for a week or soo, just to make client to think that I let go that agreement between us, and I forgot about it...

2.nd I'll keep sending him on email a keylogger until he actually gets infected with it...

3.rd And I will constantly run Bruteforce attack on his cpanel...

:> :> So, we will see what will happen....

finaldesign

Apr 29 2005, 09:21 AM

QUOTE(ebbinger_413 @ Apr 28 2005, 09:33 PM)

well...if you are certified to do this kind of work for money...i suggest you take legal actioins

if not...destroy him

(i would use a key logger and grab the new passwords...then change the password on him

)

I am certified to do that kind of work, and Im a proffesional, but my mistake was that I never signed contract with that client because I trusted him, so I believed that we can sign contract later, but stupid guy cheated on me... so now I have no rights because there is no evidence that I made that files, because either me or him we both have save copy of files (he even hase one copy on his computer like me....)

jet

Apr 29 2005, 09:48 AM

Nei. That sucks. Is this the first time it has happened to you?

marijnnn

Apr 29 2005, 11:38 AM

no contract? that's not very proffessional, now is it?

be carefull with keyloggers. as you will understand, keyloggers need info about where they have to send the info to. which would be your emailaddress or your ip address or something alike.
this also means that, if he takes his computer to a computerstore, they have proof that you tried to steal or already stole his password.
just **** up his site. if he has a guestbook, enter silly stuff and publicity. subscribe his emailaddress in every mailing list on the earth. try if you can still access his database, he might have forgotten to change the password.
or try sql injection. you know all the names of the tables, so it might just work.

oh yeah: i never gave you this advice

mastercomputers

Apr 29 2005, 02:26 PM

finaldesign,

Don't do silly things like sending keyloggers via email. If this were to take legal action, he's got evidence suggesting that it is his work and you tried stealing it from him. Not a good thing.

I have had this happen before, no contracts because I trusted the person. When this happened, I thought fine, I used the exact site template on another one of my customers site and then made my customer speak to him saying that his template is copyrighted to him and that he is using stolen work and that he would press legal matters.

He quickly took down his site and that was the last of that.

Cheers,

MC

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finaldesign

Sep 7 2005, 04:37 PM

Sarah81: You are right about that. But Im not gonna take any legal measures about this issue. I decided to let it go... Using a keylogger or some spyware software, or hijacking his hosting server just can get me into trouble... My first mistake was to work without contract, and applying a legal action is too expencive for me - there is a low chance of winning the case, there is very little evidence, and all communication was in person - without paper and emails...
.. So i'll continue my work, and forget this loss.

Sarah81

Sep 1 2005, 08:30 PM

I think that anything you do that *could* lead to you looking bad later (keylogging for example) should be considered very carefully before you actually take any action. It could get you into trouble, as other people have already stated. But it also makes you look bad ... while it might not matter what this particular non-paying customer thinks ... you still have a professional reputation.

So ... if I were you, I would look into legal action. Yes, he has copies of the files in his system, but computers keep records of last modified, date created, etc. You might have something going there. If nothing else, you might be able to find proof that you actually sent the guy these files. Also: did he tell you in person that he wasn't going to cough up the money, or did he send you an e-mail? If the latter, I would definitely hang on to it.

Anyway ... think of how you'll look to other clients present and future if you start keylogging or forcing attacks on this guy's system. You never really know who is in touch with whom ... or how quickly word-of-mouth can spread ... until it's already come to bite you in the back cheeks.

DivineZero

Sep 1 2005, 08:06 PM

I would kill him and burn him to death..... thats not needed you did the work and you should get payed for it. As a fellow webmaster i understand its hard to get what you deserve, but dont let him get you down. FIGHT FOR WHATS YOURS AND WHAT YOU DESERVE. You dont deserver this, you did the work you should get payed for it.

Hatchman33

Aug 28 2005, 02:00 PM

QUOTE(finaldesign @ Apr 28 2005, 11:53 AM)

People do that, the only way to help stop it is if it is copy right.

finaldesign

Aug 17 2005, 06:44 AM

QUOTE(cyborgxxi @ Aug 14 2005, 03:08 PM)

Search Google for "perfect keylogger".

thanks. I'll try to find something usefull of it :>

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