108Soc
May 3 2006, 07:50 PM
| | Well I was looking online a graphics cards recently and I had noticed something. Two different companies had the same graphics card. This is where I got confused. Is it the same card, or is it different because another company makes them. It has me thinking that that little difference could be bad in the end. I know I should have asked before I bought my card, but I just remembered that I was going to ask someone.
My real question that got me to make this post is:
Is the ATI Radeon 9250 and the Visiontek Radeon 9250 the same card? Did I make a mistake by buying the Visiontek Radeon 9250 over the ATI Radeon 9250?
I would really like any help I could get on this topic. |
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techocian
May 3 2006, 09:51 PM
Trust me, if you bought the Visiontek, stick with it. Just trust me on this one seriously. Just look at what kind of issues I've got just by buying the stupid ATI Radeon 9250. You probably have like a remake of the 9250. Visiontek might be part of Sapphire technologies since ATI is part of it. Or is it vice versa? Hmm.. 
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108Soc
May 3 2006, 10:18 PM
Well so far I have had no problems with this card. So I think I can agree with you that Visiontek is much better then ATI. And to your other question, I have no idea. I am not the big computer guy that most people here are. I am hoping to get into computers and learn as much about them as I can. Maybe then I will be able to answer my own question.
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xboxrulz
May 3 2006, 10:42 PM
These companies license the technology and core parts from ATI. It's all the same card, but different vendors with extra tweaks. They run the same drivers. xboxrulz
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108Soc
May 3 2006, 11:56 PM
QUOTE(xboxrulz @ May 3 2006, 06:42 PM) 
These companies license the technology and core parts from ATI. It's all the same card, but different vendors with extra tweaks. They run the same drivers.
xboxrulz
Thank you for answering my question. Now I know exactly what I wanted to know, but I still don't understand why these companies do this. Is it cheaper than just making their own products? I don't even know if anyone can answer that question, but if you can it would be good. Oh and I have one other question, how do you know who originally created the product?
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wutske
May 5 2006, 05:48 AM
It's quite simple. There are several chip makers, but the 2 biggest are ATI and nVidia. What they do is just creating the GPU (like, for example, the NV350 wich is an ATI Radeon9600PRO). Now, they sell those chips to different companies who put those chips on a PCB, together with memory and all other stuff needed to have a videocard and then they sell it. Now, ATI also sells it's own cards, but those are the most 'stock' cards available from ATI. nVidia does not sell cards and let other companies do this. Why they do that? More companies that sell cards means more diversity (memory configuration, cooling, ...) and better concurrency (and broken cards go to the companies and not directly to ATI & nVidia, wich also saves a lot of time and money)
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108Soc
May 5 2006, 05:30 PM
So what your saying is that for companies like nVidia, they are selling the chips to different companies and making money. Well if these other companies are doing different things with the chips, wouldn't that mean they would make more money than they spent on the chip? Wow big business can be very confusing. Wutske, would you say that getting the Visiontek Radeon 9250 was a smarter idea than getting the ATI Radeon 9250?
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roggle
May 5 2006, 07:10 PM
QUOTE(108Soc @ May 5 2006, 06:30 PM)
So what your saying is that for companies like nVidia, they are selling the chips to different companies and making money. Well if these other companies are doing different things with the chips, wouldn't that mean they would make more money than they spent on the chip? Wow big business can be very confusing.
Wutske, would you say that getting the Visiontek Radeon 9250 was a smarter idea than getting the ATI Radeon 9250?
I think it's also to do with Nvidia not having to spend a lot on facilities to actually produce their card and distribute them. Just sell the blueprints to them, get a sizeable profit without having to risk sales being bad in a certain area. Kinda like a franchise if you now what I mean. Opening/closing factories/distributing is a huge amount of work by itself so it's not surprising that they choose to outsource it. By the way, what are you using the graphics card for? Just a warning but the 9250 is really the bottom of the lot and can't really play modern games properly.
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108Soc
May 5 2006, 07:33 PM
Are you sure about that? I can play alot of the newer more modern games on it. It works well with all the games I play.
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xboxrulz
May 6 2006, 03:47 PM
yes 9250 isn't really good, it forced my cousin to go out and fished a 9600. This was just to play C&C Generals. xboxrulz
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Termin-X-man
May 21 2006, 08:58 PM
Just different manufacturers, although some tend to build their video cards cheaper, crappy heatsinks etc. They still have the same VPU though.
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xip
May 11 2006, 07:02 AM
QUOTE(wutske @ May 5 2006, 05:48 AM)
It's quite simple.
There are several chip makers, but the 2 biggest are ATI and nVidia. What they do is just creating the GPU (like, for example, the NV350 wich is an ATI Radeon9600PRO).
Now, they sell those chips to different companies who put those chips on a PCB, together with memory and all other stuff needed to have a videocard and then they sell it.
Now, ATI also sells it's own cards, but those are the most 'stock' cards available from ATI. nVidia does not sell cards and let other companies do this.
Why they do that? More companies that sell cards means more diversity (memory configuration, cooling, ...) and better concurrency (and broken cards go to the companies and not directly to ATI & nVidia, wich also saves a lot of time and money)
I always have the same doubt. In fact there are only two technologies of graphic cards: nVidia and ATI , but what is better ? There are any substancial diference between them? Despite of the different model of cards of course, I mean if you compare two similar cards but one nVidia and the other ATI... what will be the key to make a decission?
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108Soc
May 10 2006, 08:45 PM
Wow thank you Wutske, but my questions are not even over yet. As I learn more and more, the questions start coming out more and more. So is there anyway I can get AGP for my computer? (To any admins who are reading this, sorry for the short posts. I am just a bit tired. When school is over my post length and count will improve.)
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wutske
May 10 2006, 01:50 PM
Those are the buses via wich a component can communicate with the rest of the computer. The first was ISA and EISA, those were 8-bit and are nowadays not used. The PCI bus was a faster bus with a speed limit of 133Mbs (if I remember correctly). A normal PCI slot (wich connects an add-in card to the computer) is white. But PCI was to slow for the fast graphics cards, so the AGP standard was introduced (and it's only used for graphics). There are different speed grades, 1x, 2x, 4x and 8x. AGP can transfer several gigabytes per second. Normaly the AGP slots is brown. Not that it wasn't fast enough, but few years ago, PCIe was introduced. This new and faster bus can not only connect graphic cards, but lots of other devices like SATA controlles. The PCIe bus is features several lanes, every lane is an extra x  . So PCIe 1x has one lane, while PCIe 16x has 16 lanes. In this way, every devices has it's own connection and doesn't have to share the bus at the same time. A PCIe is normaly black and can be recognised by it's tabs on the side. Hope this helped 
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108Soc
May 10 2006, 10:57 AM
I still have a question, what is the difference between AGP and PCI?
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