Google Dominance

OpaQue

Nov 2 2004, 05:50 AM

But I am sometimes afraid of the fact that google is trying to take over the web. The got a monopoly and they have powers to induce rules.
Lets take a simply example of Google Adsense advertisements, Now, I have been disabled many times. I created about 7 ids on diffrent names and address but finally they disabled it. The reason was practically shit. They said, that invalid clicks have been detected.
I dont understand, when I havent clicked the ads then what is point in disabling my account. The worst part is that, they really do not give proof or explanation. Nor, I have recieved any specifc dates on which I got those invalid activity , nor did I recieve any reports from google. I think, I got a right to have them. The thing thats sucks is, they say that if they encounter any illegal activity, they give a warning mail first. Well, out of 8 accounts, I recieved warning mail only for the first time and I never got any warning email at all. They simply disabled the account in one stroke.
After one month, I got my account disabled. Well, I gave google an average of 25,000 impressions a day and my CTR was about 0.1% ( too low ). Even though I had made arrangements for people to <- snipped -> I had never enforced them or I hadent warned anyone regarding it.
I would like to see a tough competition for Google. So, they stop these acts. If google adsense had a very tough competitor, they would have thought twice before disabling any account, but since there is no one in the market, they are not enjoying the upper hand and happily crushing web publishers and webmasters. If I hadn't had these other advertising sources, I would have been compelled to shut down.

[ may be this reply needs to be shifted to another appropriate topic relating to adsense or google ]}

lhunath

Nov 2 2004, 08:55 AM

Any company in Google's position would change like this, they've proven that they won't let themselves be seduced too much towards the commercial side like MSN or Yahoo. Therefore, I think we owe Google alot of gratitude. They remain an increadible quality even though they're so big.
Google will soon become the major competator of MSN & Yahoo, meaning, Google will have to fight them. And that's where Google will need to be more careful of itself. It's true that all big companies need competators, if not, they fall for the weak side, money. Just like Microsoft and Yahoo have.

I hope Google'll become dominant, so that they can give some serious punches to the web community, and the reason why I hope that, -me being against any dominant company- is that google seems to be decent. And I have the feeling that only though a dominating factor like google, the web world can change. Google will force MSN & Yahoo to become decent, or disappear. And when they do, Google will fade again. Marketting, is a game.

palestranger

Nov 2 2004, 01:27 PM

Google has all the right in the world to have such a dominance! It is simply the best search engine there is.. Although that "what did you mean thingy (i run google in dutch so i don't know what it is in english) " that suggests stuff (in case u mistyped thinks) is quite annoying sometimes.
What would i want to see different? I would like google to improve their pagerank system, because it isn't perfect as it is right now.

OpaQue

Nov 2 2004, 04:24 PM

well,due to spamming, the search results are being affected day by day. The google bomb thing also proved that google can be screwed ... Sometimes, teoma and alltheweb.com yeild better search results than google. Frankly, the pagerank technology is a very SHIT technology. Even though it is good at getting some nice sites on top, imagine, you with a large group created a whole big site on a single breed of a mosquito. Even though you will be providing a shit load of information, people wont find your site because a 20 year old web - PAGE has got 2000 links to it. While you being a newbie got only one or two.

The page rank thing seems to favor the people who are on the internet from a very long time. what do you say

lhunath

Nov 2 2004, 07:39 PM

palestranger, about google being the best, I wouldn't be too sure. There are loads of other systems out there, which provide great results as well. Have you ever heard of Cluster Search Engines, for example? They work quite context based, they're a great alternative.
Btw, it's not right for any company to dominate, because they may now be good, but you can impossibly say that they'll stay this way or even improve in the future. On the contrary, experience showed us that dominating companies only fell for advertising, marketting, and surrendered quality. Since everybody comes to them anyway, whether they have quality or not. They don't know any better. Perfect example is Microsoft.

avalon

Nov 3 2004, 06:21 AM

I have oftenly heard people saying how reliable Google is but I still find yahoo.com is better.

Can anyone tell me how to start a poll for search engines preferrences in order of preferrence sequence?

----------------------------------------
example (
2 - Google
1 - Yahoo!
5 - alltheweb
3 - Altavista
4 - MSN
)
----------------------------------------

Common list of Search Engines
Google
Yahoo!
alltheweb
Altavista
MSN

and so ....

lhunath

Nov 3 2004, 10:29 AM

I don't understand what you mean with "in order of preferrence sequence", what exactly do you want other from the default polls?

avalon

Nov 3 2004, 10:59 AM

Let's say my most prefer serach engine is Yahoo! followed by Google, etc.

Google (Select from drop box) = "Choice no. 2"
Yahoo! (Select from drop box) = "Most Preferred"
alltheweb (Select from drop box) = "Choice no. 4"
Altavista (Select from drop box) = "Choice no. 3"
MSN (Select from drop box) = "Never used it before"

pedro

Nov 4 2004, 12:00 AM

yes, that s true, google is the best motor engine, but it s not fair that are monopolizing the web.

OpaQue

Nov 5 2004, 04:36 PM

Well, search engines are really a peice of wonder. Imagine, you search for a text that comes on to your mind and after searching for it on a search engine, you get the results within a fraction of a second. Searching the 4 billion web pages is not a joke. There will soon be better technologies than the shitty page rank.

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cryptonx

Jan 8 2005, 09:43 AM

D.amn it ,,,

plz ppl , whoever whines or b!tches about GOOGLE .. take the right side and the others on the left side .

if all websites / companies are like google , the internet would have been a 10000000000000X better place ....

and that guy saying yahoo.com is better than google . friend just compare both websites , in terms of SPEED / FEATURES / ADDS .

of course yahoo got an extra PUBLIC webmail + messenger but thats only to get more money with the TONS of adds they place everywhere .

the only paid service in Google is the GOOGLE question and answer thing which is original and unique .

if google made an IM ( GOOGLE MESSENGER ) I will be MORE THAN happy to drop that stupid MSN piece of **** and switch rightaway !

shadaap !

kevlar557

Jan 8 2005, 03:52 AM

I believe that google has the right to expand over the internet as much as they want. So far, there are no laws agansed monoploy-like companies on the internet, at least that I know of. The people at google have put their time and effort into their services, most of which they recieve no profit from. I agree that monopolies are wrong, but those companies are all about the money. When you search google, you are not paying for that service, and not making google any money. This is just my opinion

Xeon

Dec 29 2004, 04:28 AM

I used to use Google as a search engine, but I find that it often gives random and not so relevant search results back. I now use Teoma with subject specific popularity and I find it gives more relevant search results. Also, its supporting a less used search engine. I am however impressed by Google's GMail, which in a short period has become the best webmail available and is better than MSN or Yahoo. Google does do a lot things well but I think their websearch dominance will go down.

ouachiski

Dec 28 2004, 07:33 PM

Dominance like Google is bound to happen whenever a company comes out with a product that blows all of the other products on the market away. The problem is whenever they get out front and let quality slide. Other companies will eventually catch up and make competition for Google giving everyone more choices in web searches.

MajesticTreeFrog

Dec 27 2004, 11:19 PM

the problem is that in the computer market, once you have a dominant hand, you have an easier time holding on than others have in assailing your position. Why? because of lock in. For instance, if you think that linux, as an OS, is better than windows(and for the sake of argument, pretend that this is true whatever your actual view), then you would want to switch. However, as the dominant OS, all software is written primarily for windows, making it hard to switch to the better underlying OS that is linux(or, mac for that matter).

Thus, software ALWAYS heads towards a monopoly, or at best an sort of plutocracy.

The answer to this is to make all API's be required by law to be open(as in no cost/license) and fully documented as well as standardized.

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Google Dominance - Is Google getting too big?

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