aciminsk
Feb 21 2006, 06:41 PM
I need hosting. Well, how to get those golden points? Hope you wouldn’t mind if I tell my FreeBSD story. A little foreword. I’m working in a pure MS shop, where Open Source is big NO-NO. Nevertheless I have a small test-bed LAN where I can test whatever I think is appropriate. Lately not the latest and greatest but quite decent server has been decommissioned. I had been using Debian Linux workstation already for quite a while, so I’ve decided to setup a Debian Linux server into W2k3 LAN. Honestly, I don’t like to give up, but this time I had to. The machine is HP Netserver LH3000 U3. The older Debian distribution version (Called woody) installs base system but does not recognize NIC, so I could not connect to mirror site to continue installation. The newer stable version completely refuses to recognize NetRAID controller and does not go even as far as the base system. Describing everything what I’ve tried would be way too long, so just the result. I’ve given up. What’s next to try? The criteria was that it should be not as huge as Debian (The whole distro is 14 CDs), and it should be somewhere nearby so that it would not take me forever to download. It turned out to be FreeBSD. Hope you would not mind if I continue later on….
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miCRoSCoPiC^eaRthLinG
Feb 21 2006, 06:55 PM
Carry on - installation adventures are always fun to read about - and you never know who it might help in similar problems in future. Also do post back any problems that you faced and actually managed to solve it on your own, along with HOW YOU DID IT. Simply keep posting original stuff and you'd have your golden points in no time.
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Jeigh
Feb 21 2006, 07:04 PM
OMG YOU STOPPED THE THE MOST CLIFFHANGER MOMENT EVER! AAAH!~ Hehe, I'll assume freeBSD worked  But yea I know I wanted to try debian out once but I couldn't bring myself to care enough to download/burn all the install media when there were comaprable distro's out there on 1 cd and just download the rest as you need it heh. Where I work currently I also had toruble getting linux onto my box as it's a temporarily unused Dell Poweredge server and the sata raid was incompatible with the base installers for a couple distro's we tried (we don't have the documentation for the actual type of raid controller so coulnd't even try loading drivers for it) Finally ubuntu managed to handle it on its own so thats where my story ends haha. Make sure to finish yours so In know if the poor old server ever got to be alive again 
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xboxrulz
Feb 21 2006, 10:34 PM
kool, but have you tried other distributions like Fedora, Ubuntu or SuSE? They're stable and usually support all NIC. Also, Debian (older versions) are all 2.4.x based and they may not have the drivers for your NIC. Usually, if Linux don't have drivers for 'em, I don't think FreeBSD would. xboxrulz
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aciminsk
Feb 22 2006, 10:57 AM
OK, show goes on... I went to http://www.freebsd.org, spent some time looking around, reading to make sure I know what I'm doing. Though quite a few questions, it did not look too scary, so I went to ftp://ftp2.ru.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ and grabbed all three disk images (ISOs ) of FreeBSD6.0, which was the latest at that time. One for basic system and network install, and two for complete distribution (Doesn't it seem, well... a little bit too light-weight comparing to 14 CDs Debian distribution?) just in case network install does not work. Burned CDs on my Debian machine. Then I have opened FreeBSD handbook as a single file from http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1...dbook/book.html, saved it to the local disk and hit Print. (This has been the first rake I've stepped on. For those who wonders how rakes are related to the subject you might wish to check up the thread at http://www.astahost.com/page-2-t10342-s10.html for explanation. The HandBook turned out to be 1300 plus pages, took several hours to print out on an HP DeskJet, has eaten month's supply of paper and cartridges). Everything seems ready to commence the installation. Popped Network Install CD into the retired guy, reboot. Carefully reading prompts, suggestions and handbook and mainly accepting defaults has completed base system installation in about twenty min, another 15 min for initial configuration like creating a user. Another reboot and here you are, welcome, please login. Too good to be true. Nevertheless, I'm logging-in as root. It works. Running some basic commands like ls and ps, works. What about something more complicated? Starting GNOME? Works. KDE? Works, got this beautifull masterpice of GUI design. Unbelievable. Happy end? Well, I'll tell you next time
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xboxrulz
Feb 23 2006, 12:31 AM
kool, I was about to suggest you DesktopBSD/PCBSD. xboxrulz
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abhiram
Feb 23 2006, 06:11 AM
QUOTE The HandBook turned out to be 1300 plus pages, took several hours to print out on an HP DeskJet, has eaten month's supply of paper and cartridges). You actually took such a massive print? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to have referred to it in another computer or maybe a laptop even? QUOTE Happy end? Well, I'll tell you next time I sure hope so. This is turning out to be quite an interesting read. Hehe ... maybe you should call this "The Chronicles of aciminsk"  .
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aciminsk
Feb 23 2006, 09:36 AM
QUOTE(xboxrulz @ Feb 23 2006, 02:31 AM)  kool, I was about to suggest you DesktopBSD/PCBSD.
xboxrulz
May be later on. When the saga is over QUOTE(abhiram @ Feb 23 2006, 08:11 AM)  You actually took such a massive print? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to have referred to it in another computer or maybe a laptop even? I sure hope so. This is turning out to be quite an interesting read. Hehe ... maybe you should call this "The Chronicles of aciminsk"  . Yeah, know it's foollish. But sometimes could not resist doing foollish things
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abhiram
Feb 23 2006, 10:07 AM
QUOTE Yeah, know it's foollish. But sometimes could not resist doing foollish things
Hehe ... I hear ya. Happens to the best of us sometimes  .
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aciminsk
Feb 23 2006, 10:36 AM
So, where did I leave? Yeah, about happy end... Not yet. I have to use the server for something. So, let's add some useful stuff and do a test web server. Easy. #pkg_add -r mc And you have Midnight commander. #mc Works, great... #pkg_add -r mysql A little bit of humming, installed. #cd /user/local/bin #mysql_safe --user=mysql & No error messages #ps -ax | grep mysql Lists mysql daemon running. Great #mysqladmin -u root status Statistics displayed. Cool Let's do Apache #pkg_add -r apache2 Brake for a smoke, done #/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start No error messages. Good #ps -ax | grep httpd apache daemon running. Go to my Debian machine, open Mozilla, type in URL 192.xxx.xxx.xxx Get this lovely Apache feather. Think that I'm probably not that bad in BSD Do PHP. Go back to the server... #pkg_add -r php Yees, done #vi test.php make this little test file <?php phpinfo()?> Save it to the apache document root. Go back to my Mozilla, type in 192.xxx.xxx.xxx/test.php Here you are. I'm php info page, I'm here.... One might say that it just could not be that easy and fast. Yeah, but who cares about those little shadows during the happy hour? Well, enough for today. Still to be continued if you do not mind...
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aciminsk
Mar 12 2006, 04:14 AM
So, reinstall the whole stuff from scratch. Yes, and not once, but still with the same failure result when trying to enable logical RAID5 drives. Chill out guys, I’m not going to tell the whole story from the very beginning, though there were quite a few rakes that I’ve luckily avoided during my first install, but did not miss later on. Just the solution. Turned out to be not soft but hard related. One of the physical SCSI hard drives failed. Took some efforts to figure out which of twelve. So, finally I have ended up removing two and replacing one. Besides I’ve changed NetRAID configuration to 1xRAID1 and 1xRAID5 logical drives. After this I did the base system installation already by heart. As to the final system, I’ve done it a little bit different. Instead of installing prepackaged Apache+MySQL+PHP+GD bundle, I got the latest releases of each and did three steps configure – make – make install for each. A bit time consuming and no automatic updates. But it will serve for awhile. Seems as if that’s the end. Unless I recall something worth telling
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aciminsk
Mar 7 2006, 09:24 AM
So, the next task is to enable remaining two RAID5 logical drives. And I want do it from the comfort of my chair. OK On the Debian box open SU terminal and do #ssh user@192.xxx.xxx.xxx // to connect to the server No problems, just supply the password and you are in. Now, to partition the disk you have to have admin rights. Should not be difficult. $su //Switch to super user mode, worked fine on my Debian machine Responce is ...Well, no responce and no SU. OK, once more... No responce, no SU. RTF1300pagesM. Found the reason on page 428. Turns out that in FreeBSD to be able to switch to SU mode, the user must belong to WHEEL group. Fine. Now, How to assign my User to the WHEEL group? Turns out 1300 pages are not enough to explain. Read the f****g pw manual page. Took some time to make up sense out of 100 or so switches options and what else and several runs to the server to log-on as root to came up with the command I need. (See some of you smiling). #pw usershow -n User -P //to see human description of User's properties #pw usermod -n User -g wheel //To assign Users to wheel group Good, done. Back to my chair and back to configuring the drives. Handbook comes handy. Chapter 16.3 at page 536 lists three options to add disks, one for dummies, and two for users. Who am I? Well, after all I've gone through definitely not a dummy. So, go to section 16.3.2.2 "Dedicated" and look at method 1. Easy, I can do it. Strictly follow the steps... No luck. OK, may be method 2 is better. Try it. No luck. Well, probably I've overestimated myself a little bit. Go back to Section 16.3.1 "Using sysinstall" (For dummies). Follow the guidance to configure both my RAID5 drives, commit changes, reboot. What a surprise! After spitting at me quite a few error messages, my so well behaving so far server went into single user mode. After 20 min of trying to make use of it, I've decided that 30 min installation is not that bad after all. So, one more installation. Though next time...
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aciminsk
Mar 5 2006, 07:37 PM
So, what did I finally get after all the above? Here is the layout. Decommissioned HP NetServer LH3000U, with two P4/1.2GHz processors, RAM 4GB, NetRaid SCSI controller and 12 SCSI physical hard drives configured into three logical drives, 5GB RAID1 and 2x90GB RAID5 drives, connected to a small test w2K3 LAN. (You might guess that I have thrown in quite a few of available resources scattered around in a Network Center). The server has been happy with FreeBSD6.0.The Apache2.4+MySQL+PHP4+GD bundle has been installed, slightly configured and properly serving test pages. X server has been running serving as Gnome so KDE. SSHD has been running giving me an option to access the server from a remote workstation. The only tail to cut was those 2x90GB RAID5 logical drives. As one might guess I have installed everything on one 5GB RAID1 logical drive planning to enable other two later on. That’s where the problems started…
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aciminsk
Mar 5 2006, 08:44 AM
^^^ Agree Good addon. Thanks. Though if you want the latest version of Apache+mysql+php+perl+gd +Whatever else you want Bundle, you will have to download and install it manually. The shadow site of this kind of installation is that you would not be able to update it using BSD pkg system.
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unimatrix
Mar 5 2006, 03:46 AM
For future reference points for folks, might want to consider buying the SAMS FreeBSD book. Last version I own covers the 5.x series and comes with a single FreeBSD disc to conduct a basic install onto most system. Installing FreeBSD does not take 3 discs, just disc 1. Typically the other discs contain the actual ports system and sometimes might have some really odd device drivers. But mainly all the drivers and core functions you'll need (like X11 & KDE) are including on disc 1. Now if you do not have access to a high speed internet connection, then you will want to purchase or have someone download all the ISO because your going to need them. FreeBSD works best when it has a fast connection to the internet. For a light FreeBSD install, grab the ISO to disc 1 and install normally. Hopefully you've got all your hardware detected. Persionally, I keep a coupleolder jumper ISA (not much use anymore) and PCI 10Mbs ethernet cards around just incase. Once the primary installation is set, it is time to get to know cvsup and the ports system. By default Apache is installed, but now you need PostgreSQL, Python, PERL, PHP, and MySQL. Go in to usr/bin/ports/ type ls now see all those directories? Each is an appliaction that has basically an automatic installer. What is even better is that it searches out, finds, and downloads EVERYTHING you need to get that package to work. PHP needs the GD library? Then the install scripts goes through a list of mirrors, finds the package, downloads, it and then continues with the PHP installation. You want MySQL then do this: type: cd /usr/bin/ports/mysql and then hit return type: make && make install and then hit return Sit back and let the Ports system do its job. It downloads everything it needs and then installs the package. By doing it this way, you really save in download and set up time because your downloading only what you need and by default, the ports tree searches for updates and fetches the latest version of mysql and installs. So you installed FreeBSD 5.2 and want to up grade to 6.x. Just type CVSUP and let the system go fetch the latest stable kernal build and install. You can also update the ports system in a similar fashion too. We have one database server in the office running on a dual Pentium Pro 200 system. It has an uptime of over 6 years now and it's running FreeBSD 3.4 still. It is the only non-macintosh system left other than the two Windows boxes we keep just because. FreeBSD is still my fav. server operating system on the market today. Unlike Linux, BSD is more standardized and has been far easier to maintain and manage thanks to the ports tree. For the longest time the ports system was the only way I ever got PostgreSQL to actually intall without issue.
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