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Einstein Quiz - Can you solve this problem?

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yeh
On the IQ test topic, I have read somewhere that the inventor of IQ tests meant it to be a gauge of how students respond to teaching in schools. If you have a low score, then it means that you are not responding like the rest of the students, and thus maybe a different educational approach might be needed. All this talk about "intelligence" has actually progress to the point where people equate it to innate intelligence, which is definitely not true. After all, your IQ test scores can be increased after training or repeated attempts. What makes it even more disturbing is when people tell me that SAT test(done in the US) is a measure of your intelligence. I have friends who have average score getting a perfect score in their second attempt.

And that leads me to the 2% of the population that can solved the puzzle. Some people say that it is real simple while others baulk at the idea of another logic puzzle. Actually, it all boils down to the technique. If you know the technique(either through training or instinctively) then it is real simple. I definitely would not agree that only 2% of the population can solve this puzzle because once you know the technique, it is REALLY simple.

 

 

 


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illini319
Intelligence is a touchy subject, absolutely. How can one truly measure mental aptitude in as wholistic and unbiased approach as possible? You can't just damn a set of tests because 1. you didn't do well in the exam yourself, 2. you have anecdotal evidence that speaks to the contrary (not very statistical), 3. you happen to know the strategies of an exam (it's not enough to know it; you have to apply it to many different situations under a time constraint) and 4. you can point out other 'intelligence' traits that the test doesn't measure. This is because, with any measurement, there are a set of caveats one must assume. Paramount, is how accurate the test can tease out the information it desires. In any case, the intelligence tests that we have today, while flawed, are an accepted measurement of mental aptitude.

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yeh
Hehe.. don't want to start a war of words here but I have never stated that I didn't do well in SAT. smile.gif

I think my point here is what does those IQ tests measure? As you said, there are caveats and assumptions in those tests. More importantly, if someone does well in an IQ tests, what does it say? And if someone did mediocre, what does it say then?

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illini319
Our society lives and dies by the metrics it places on itself. For good and bad...

I absolutely agree with you. What does it say if someone does well in any standardized exam? Independent of whether there is an inherent intellectual difference between one who did well versus one who didn't do well in, say, the SAT, there are external factors that, as a result of the test scores would allow the person who did well greater opportunity for 'conventional' success. Obviously, bombing the SAT lessens your chances of getting into a competitive college. And, equally obviously, this does not necessarily reflect on whether or not you are an 'intelligent' person. Perhaps, it reflects on your standardized test taking abilities; perhaps on your ability to handle test-related stress. In any case, you are contemplating this notion within the reality of having society reduce the number of opportunities you have BECAUSE of the the exam. Should one demand a re-evaluation of the SAT and similar exams? No need; why? Because, at a regular pace, the IQ test, the SAT and other similar exams are changed to address our initial concerns.
Point being: at a societal level, your performance on exams will put you in pre-determined categories throughout your life. Period. It is up to you to be an exception to the 'rule.'

 

 

 


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Alegis
I used to make a lot of similiar puzzles, still have some small "Logikwiz" (as it's called here in Dutch) booklets lying about in the house. It's fun and easy to do while in a vehicle or in-between stuff.


With the use of a special grid you analyse the data and apply them to the grid.

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A grid for "4" 'features'. As you can see, there is a block for all the relationships between all features. In this case, the grid for einstein would be

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All the info is set in the grid, the order doesn't really matter that much as long as it's reversed (the category top right should be second to the left, the top left category is only written once). Also note that for the positioning of the houses I appointed numbers.

Now how do you solve something like this? When you know something for sure, like a) the brit lives in a red house, you mark a + between brit and red house. For data you know that is incorrect, you mark a -. There is always one + in each column and row, so when you mark a + all the other's become - as show in the picture.

When you fill in all the data you can easily 'copy' characterisks from for example red, to brit by following the row and column of the + in NATIONALITY/HOUSE. There are lots of tricks like this you come up with after making a few puzzles.

Sure you can do it without, but when doing a lot of those puzzles it's more enjoyable like this.
At first it seems a lot of work to make such a structure, but it's fan and you can easily find shortcuts to solutions.

To those dutch speaking, some nice exercises on this page. For the others who may express interest I can translate a few

http://home.planet.nl/~d.langers/3gB.html

I'm not sure what the English term for these puzzles.

Hope you like this method smile.gif

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Captain Jerry
Well, I either haven't been around long enough (not likely) or I've been around too long (yeah, that's it) but I've never seen this!

No time to work on it tonight, but being a programmer, it's got to be a fairly simple solution using a table charting algorithm...

I'll let ya' know how long it took me ~ tomorrow!

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becibear
QUOTE(Alegis @ May 27 2006, 09:43 PM) *
To those dutch speaking, some nice exercises on this page. For the others who may express interest I can translate a few

http://home.planet.nl/~d.langers/3gB.html

I'm not sure what the English term for these puzzles.

Hope you like this method smile.gif


Funnily enough, the English name for this type of puzzle, plain and simple, is a Logic Puzzle.

We have a monthly book of them out here called Logic Problems, and I've only missed one copy in the last year because I was in hospital. I've been doing these logic puzzles since I was about six. They're great fun!

Rebecca wub.gif

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Chesso
I don't think that riddle thing is difficult it's one of those "could I really be bothered to sit here and think this through?" kind of things.

And for me, I really couldn't be bothered tongue.gif

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yordan
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"could I really be bothered to sit here and think this through?"

That's right. That's exactly the way I am currently thinking, which allows me to be happy and proud of myself. Unfortunately, evrytime I reall sit and think this through, I fail the test. Then I am really less proud.

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Chesso
So the ultimate answer is to not be bothered so you cannot be proud deprived, besides what would you gain from figuring it out anyway lol.

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