ninjamunky
May 12 2005, 12:33 AM
| | I was reading another thread here where the term brute forcer was mentioned. Now, I've heard of them before, and I know what they are. And I'm interested in playing with one. I've always been interested in just trying one out, but I'm afraid that somehow the server will recognize it and trace my IP, and as you can imagine, it would go quickly downhill from there. So, my question is, what are some good brute forcers used today, what protection do they provide against IP tracking, and is there a sort of "playground" for such applications?
*Note: If this topic is a bit... inappropriate for this community, I understand. I intend this interegation only as a learning experience. |
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miCRoSCoPiC^eaRthLinG
May 12 2005, 07:40 AM
Brute forcers are what their name says - trying to do something by brute force. It's like when you are completely in the dark about a system you're trying to attack - you run this special sort of application that tries to perform logins one after the other based on passwords generated from an accompanying dictionary. While this is a very uncouth way of trying to get into a system - and any kind of instrusion detection system in place will detect such attempts after 4-5 logins and block your IP - it's somewhat successful on less secure systems. In any case - when using such tools, it's best not to do it from a single IP. You'll end up having your IP blacklisted in no time. Usually, the approach taken is through multiple very different IPs - which connect for a few seconds, try a few of the passwords and disconn upon not being successful. Then another connection sparks off and tries it again with a different set of passwords ... and so on.. this process carries on till you've managed to find a valid login. The whole process is based on the assumption that 90% of the internet users base their password (even when repeatedly told NOT TO DO SO) on simple dictionary words to remember easily. That's the biggest mistake you can make. On top of that, the person using a brute force cracker, would usually do some social engineering too prior to attempting the hack. This is done to get a valid login-name out of the target invidividual.. That completes half the job - the second half is done by the brute force app. Brute forcers are way more easier to use on static files - i.e. say to crack the password of a Winzip/RAR archive, MS-Access Passwords - stuff that won't block you out even after several failed attempts. Here the program has the advantage of KNOWING the location where the password is stored in these files and it simply keeps on generating random passwords and then hashes them with the appropriate encryption algorithm and matches this hash with the stored hash in the target programs password db. Hope this will get you started 
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jipman
May 12 2005, 11:08 AM
mse, rars and zips don't work this way. The file itself is encoded with the password and a crc checksum is created of the original file. If you enter the correct pass, it decrypts and finds out that the checksum matches the checksum of the file that was just decoded. If you enter a wrong pass, the original checksum won't be the same as the new calculated one. Then the program assumes you used the wrong password, that way, you must decode the entire zip/rar for every password attempt, so if you have a file of 700mb, decoding takes quite long and is very inefficient. This means that it's no use to use one computer to crack a large file. Of course, you could try creating a distributed brute-force cracking program that you can run on multiple computers so they will crack as one.
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tansqrx
May 16 2005, 10:40 PM
I would like to add a little to what MSE has already said. To bruteforce is to try every possible permuntation that a particular, usually encryption, algorithm can produce. I have written a DES brute force application before so I will use it as a reference. DES is short for Data Encryption Standard http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/fips/fips46-3/fips46-3.pdf and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Encryption_Standard . Basically DES was created by the NSA as a standard encryption means for the US government. DES uses three elements, a 64-bit plain text, 64-bit key, and a 64-bit chipher text. The key and plain text is feed into the algorithm and the chipher text is the output. Another interesting point is that the 64-bit key is actually not 64 bits but 56-bit due to 8 parity bits. So the question is this. There is a finite number of bit combinations that 56 bits can make. The combinations are 2^56 or 72057594037927936 keys to be tried. To brute force an algorithm one must try every possible 72057594037927936 keys. This may seem imposible and it is without computers, and a lot of them. Simply start with the bit sequence of 0 and work you way to the end, ie: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000010 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000011 ... 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111110 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 This will give you every possible key and one of them WILL be correct. On average the result will be found in half the time it takes to compute the entire key space. In my results it would take 10,000 Penium 2.5GHz computers about 1.53 years to break a DES key. With specialized hardware the process can be scaled down to about 15 hours. Electronic Freedom Foundation, “Cracking DES: Secrets of Encryption Research, Wiretap Policies, and Chip Design,” 1999. A simplier and more widely used method is to use word lists of common passwords. Instead of trying every possible combination, encode a word, compare it to the password hash and see if a match is present. One of the more common programs is John the Ripper www.openwall.com/john/ . John is portible across almost any platform including Linux and Windows. If you want to brute force across the network you will need several proxies and an http brute forcer (I'm just assuming you want to crack website paswords).
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iGuest
Dec 12 2007, 11:17 PM
I'm new to computer words and stuff could someone please put it in a more simpler and easy to understand language. Also how do you hack BYOND games? -BYONDman
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turbopowerdmaxsteel
Dec 13 2007, 05:25 PM
I can attempt to answer your first query. But, I have no clue about BYOND games. Brute forcing means repeatedly trying to login to a system by trying all the possible password combinations. This can apply to any panel that is password protected. Say, your friend's cell has phone lock enabled and you need to get through it. The cell takes passwords of upto 3 digits. That equates to 1000 total number of possible passwords (0-999). To hack into the system, you can keep trying all these passwords (0, 1, 2, 3 and so on till 999) until you hit the correct one and the lock opens. As simple as it is, this process is known as brute forcing. Using the power of automated systems (password crackers to be more appropriate), one can greatly enhance the speed of this process. I remember making a Password Breaker application that could do just that, on a global basis i.e it could attempt to brute force into any application. That was a long time ago, though and it did have a few defects - like it couldn't determine as to when the correct password had actually been entered.
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iGuest
Dec 17 2007, 10:53 PM
Also how do I use the Cain and Abel software? I checked the manual but they wrote as if I was a pro. Could someone make a simple explanation on how to use it and what are hashes? How do I get them? -BYONDman
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