xboxrulz
Dec 29 2005, 05:06 AM
Ok, here's some of my evaluation from a non-bias stance (although it is hard as I'm a die-hard Linux user and try to truely live in a M$ free environment, excluding the XBOX/XBOX 360 and its games) Pros: - seems like Microsoft knows my main weakness in a computer software... tonnes of eye-candies, I simply can't stop staring at them. I hate stuff that are boring and blah. I like crystal like stuff, all around... Maybe that's why I like KDE more.. w/e. - seems to be more organised than Windows XP - Windows built-in Antivirus and Antispyware. - New feature called "Phishing" scan and detection - Windows Media Player 11 - Windows Messenger Live! 8 Cons: - Since I don't have first hand experience of Windows Vista Beta 2, I've heard that it's still as unstable as Windows XP final (Codename: Whistler). - Internet Explorer is sadly installed. - maybe they overdid the transparency thing a little too much. - Is this even needed by anyone? or is it one of those useless features that they think that it's worth it to bloat the operating system and waste my disc space for it?:  - Windows Vista still looks very alike with Windows XP. All of these thoughts are based on screenshots taken by Paul Thurrott 's WinSuperSitexboxrulz
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Quatrux
Dec 29 2005, 10:27 AM
to make it short, I kind of laugh at the current situation of windows, XP now is quite old, how many years ? and the longhorn failure, now vista which will need really good hardware.. Well we will see, it is good times for other OS'es I personally am not planning to use vista in the future, unless I will see a point to do it, "why ? what windows XP can't do that vista can yet ?" I think, it will eat more resources and don't know about how stable it will be. Stuff. 
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xboxrulz
Dec 29 2005, 05:51 PM
Well, there is one thing Vista can do that Windows XP can't really do yet, eat up your resources and the new DRM system being built-in. xboxrulz
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derouge
Dec 29 2005, 08:03 PM
I sort of like the look, but looking at the Window's site it seems they emphasize it A LOT. I'd much rather see more in-depth technical info rather than a bunch of stuff about how pretty it looks and how amazing translucent windows are. Another thing I noticed is that at least two or three times they said something about how "Windows will have taken care of it, without you even knowing!" That scares me. I'd like to know if my computer has some fatal failure, even if it's been taken care of. I guess we can only wait and see. I work at a PC shop where we build a lot of custom systems. I'm sure when Vista comes out I'll be plunged right into a lot of the information. Until then I'm only an outsider looking in, so can't really accurately judge.
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jipman
Dec 29 2005, 08:14 PM
We had a presentation from a couple of microsoft guys a while ago at my university about Windows Vista. Besides the fact that the beta crashes every two minutes or just lags like **** (which is why it's a beta anyways).They added some nice features to vista. For instance, they are going a bit *nix style with the user-accounts style, by trying to keep some sort of a root account to handle stuff. Every normal user gets a special program files directory of his own to work in. The microsoft guys said themselves that they didn't see the practical use for transparant windows and so. ps. They also said that the beta's a free download for everyone to test. Can't really remember where though. Google might provide an answer note: It's a b e t a for crying out loud, so don't expect it to run stable which it won't. Microsoft just released this for the people to say what they're working at and what the new features will be. I'm not really pro-microsoft but it's still not fair to judge the final vista on some early beta like this. final note: They also said something about AJAX (Some XML based programming language) being built in too. It was supposed to be some simple programming language thing. (I'm not really sure about this part of the presentation, I started reading manga at that time).
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miCRoSCoPiC^eaRthLinG
Dec 30 2005, 06:34 AM
QUOTE(jipman @ Dec 30 2005, 03:14 AM) final note: They also said something about AJAX (Some XML based programming language) being built in too. It was supposed to be some simple programming language thing. (I'm not really sure about this part of the presentation, I started reading manga at that time). I don't see how AJAX can be separately built into something ???? AJAX stands for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML - and it's not some new language, but a set of standards and new functions that have been adapted into JavaScript quite sometime back. I mean this technology has been around for at least last 2 years- but only started picking up, when Google used it extensively for Gmail. Previously, when you tried fetching data from another site using JScript, if the connection failed, the code would hang right there waiting for a reply from the called site and in all probablity would freeze the browser too. AJAX took care of this by priovidng you a method to make Asynchronous Calls - i.e., you call up another web-site using a separate THREAD and then hand the control back to the rest of the code. The main program carries on execution - so all other stuff on your page functions perfectly. The Caller THREAD lies waiting for a response from the server - and when it comes through, it throws an event, which calls up a specific subroutine in the main program again - and hands it over the fetched data, which is usually in XML format. Next with you can easily parse the fetched data and update specific parts of the webpage using JavaScript DOM. The Asynchronous Calls are made with a newly introduced JavaScript object called XMLHTTPRequester. You can see a live example of this in the Shoutbox we're developing at AntiLost: http://www.antilost.com/communityThis is an integral part of JavaScript and no extra action is required on part of the called site - except to provide data in a XML format. This incidentally can be anything - ranging from customized data to RSS Feeds. At the receiving end, you simple need an XML parser to break up the data and display it accordingly on the screen.. So I ask you - WHAT THE HECK is there to "BUILD THIS" into Vista ?? Lol.. I think they're just trying to take advantage of mass ignorance and fool people into believing that they've added something new, nice and cool into Vista.. !! Bloody JOKERS.
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organicbmx
Dec 30 2005, 01:57 PM
do people on this board think that windows is now in its decline and that it peaked at win98 [or even 3.1!] correct me if im wrong but is windows the only non-unix like os still around? it appears that unless microsoft can either totally revolutionise the core base of an os or rewrite windows on a unix base its just going to keep get worse. again correct me if im wrong but im sure that we have started to see people moving away from windows in recent years. most servers are linux/unix. macs are more common and are likely to get even more common with the x86 versions comming soon. the linux comminuty is expanding with people like me getting into computers, and wanting to get out of windows, on their current hardware. i dont know about how fast vista is going to be but gentoo on my friends vista style spec laptop [64 bit/1 gig ram/good graphics card] was unbelievably fast. if windows wont keep up with the hardware it requires then many people are going to question it.
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xboxrulz
Dec 30 2005, 11:06 PM
There's actually an operating system that is not based on UNIX but also shares a concept of UNIX. It's called SkyOS. Mainly inspired by BeOS (their forums now cramped with BeOS lovers, which causes me, a "new generation" Linux user) www.skyos.org Historically, it is the fastest operating system in the world, faster than Windows, Mac, Linux, UNIX, BeOS, AIX, Solaris, and others. xboxrulz
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organicbmx
Jan 4 2006, 03:01 PM
skyos looks really good. definatly one to check back on in a while, becasue it seems to lack apps at the moment. enough for most users though, but not yet for me.
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saint-michael
Jan 5 2006, 08:12 AM
I guess If I learned about linux and unix software,hardware, OS I could agree with you on some points why vista is just a car accident waiting to happen. At a Graphic standpoint the desktop looks more up to date and pleasing to the eye. (referring to eye candy). Of course last I knew was the rumored blackbox (used to report errors that happen on your computer ) that was going be included into the OS can anyoen confirm that still the case? Of Course Microsoft shouldn't even bother have the word security on their site and softwware cause the day it hits the market, everyone will find all the backdoors, security flaws within 12 hours after purchasing it and patch after patch will becoming out. Now if bill gates where smart (theirs a debate on that one) instead of whipping out a new os ever few years I take my sweet time with it and like double and triple check all the source code just to make sure nothing will give someone the edge that would be the smart thing to do.
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Jeigh
Feb 17 2006, 01:18 PM
Ooooh vista, how wonderful a story you weave. For me, it's going to be a pain in the ass once it comes out. FIrstly, eye candy isn't important to me. FUNCTIONAL eye candy is awesome, for people who like those OSX style docks thats great. Making 99% of the gui translucent just rapes your system and doesn't actually benefit much (unless like sarah mentioned you can actually see the folders behind other folders and their contents, that would be useful) but the majority of it will simply be for show. Meaning I'll be doing my best to disable most of it (assuming I ever upgrade to vista). I'm also still saying it won't be out this year. It could happen, but I doubt it. I just have a feeling it'll be out first half of next year... probably will get held back to either unbreak something or remove glitchy features. Frankly the longer it stays away the better for me, as I don't want to upgrade and the longer it's not out for, the longer it'll be before the majority of people start switching over. I had completely forgotten about the built in DRM stuff... that should be interesting too. To see how intense it is, or see how crackable it is haha.
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AntLvK
Feb 17 2006, 07:17 AM
i've tried internet explorer 7 and disapointed with the link bar is gone, only favourite can be accessed.... so i have to click the fav the llook for my stuff..... before that i can just clikc on the link i put on the bar on top. other then that other feature is cool such as usb drive ram, that is cool... but sad thing is too many version of windows vista is confirm i think there is 5 version or more forgot already.... basic, premium, ultimate, bla bla
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xboxrulz
Feb 15 2006, 10:01 PM
It's kinda funny how SP2's firewall thinks Symantec products are adware/spyware. xboxrulz
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Kushika
Feb 15 2006, 09:59 PM
QUOTE(InitialDriveGTR @ Jan 22 2006, 06:39 PM) 
A good thing for micro$oft to do is to go opensourced, or at least let the final OS's be free. Another thing the could do is stop putting adware and crap into service packs. i mean honestly, its stupid
They would never go opensourced! How much money they'd loose in the long run, besides, they already have popularity. I guess Linux gained alot of popularity from being open sourced, but Microsoft doesn't really need to increase popularity. People are still going to buy Windows just becuase the majority of programs are compatible with windows. Yes, the adware thing will be probably just as bad as the firewall which I belive they give you in Win XPs (SP2). Apart from a glossier GUI, is there anything that Vista really offers that is new? I think they're just trying to catch up with the sweet GUI of Macs. As far as I'm concerned, Apple was always ahead of the game where pretty interfaces are concerned. Just my opinion though.
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InitialDriveGTR
Jan 22 2006, 06:39 PM
A good thing for micro$oft to do is to go opensourced, or at least let the final OS's be free. Another thing the could do is stop putting adware and crap into service packs. i mean honestly, its stupid
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