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QUOTE(vtitty @ Jun 27 2006, 04:59 PM) So, now Microsoft makes their own file format instead of actually getting PNG to work in IE?YES!!! and works
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JPG, PNG, BMP.. And Now WMP (Windows Media Photo)

dhanesh
Microsoft is comming up with a new image format called the Windows Media Photo (WMP). WMP will be an addition to the resident picture formats like JPG, PNG, BMP etc. Its said to be compressed as in smaller size for pictures. The website gives a .doc on the advanced specs. for the file format so if anyone of you techies need to have a look >> HERE << is the site.

I guess this new file format has a little time to catch up with the present, maybe after vista comes out, this file format would be widely used.

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Dhanesh.


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pyost
This is just another attemp to rule the world - and they won't make it. I don't see the poing of making a new format when there are so many others, and probably better. Micro$oft should just stick to making programmes and stop messing with other things which are to be left to the professionals.

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Djetamun
I think that, technically, WMP is indeed better than JPG and GIF. The range of technical specifications is seriously larger, and it's highly in favour of the WMP format.

As for its success, I believe it's far too early to judge. After all, WMP is practically just an idea, a part of the XPS specification. There's still no word about its support by cameras, printers, or even Web browsers other than Internet Explorer. The JPEG2000, which was a standard with very comparable merits to WMP's and was planned to replace the JPG format, has vanished without a trace.

But if we were to judge depending on the WMP counterparts, WMA and WMV, we'd have to say it won't be such a huge success. After all, even though WMA and WMV were indeed very nice, they're not that popular.

So I'd say that WMP has a fair chance of being an alternative to JPG. But if Microsoft is hoping for replacing JPG, I think they might be in over their heads.

Either way, we'd have to wait and see. At least until results of Vista Beta-2 are out, as a primary indicator.

 

 

 


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Alegis
QUOTE(pyost @ May 28 2006, 08:56 PM) *
This is just another attemp to rule the world -
and they won't make it.

Right, because introducing a new image format with very useful application would be a plot to conquer the world! Oh my gosh my potatoes in my garden now obey almighty Microsoft. If only the communists knew of this method.
IPB Image

On a more serious note, I think it's good news. It seems like a better format than .JPG for sure (I don't like the loss of data at all, yet size reduction is inevitable necessity in many cases).
Definitely hope it will be supported on *all* machines so I can start using it right away.

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nightfox
Personally, I think the WMP format is just Microsoft's attempt to monopolize yet something else. Let me guess... it can only be supported on Vista and newer versions, the format is going to come with an EULA and won't be cross-platform?

Just like VBScript... it can only be used on Windows systems, it can only be used in IE and it is another attempt to monopolize something else...

As a Linux user, the PNG format is excellent for most things. However, in case you don't know, Internet Explorer is PNG challenged. It doesn't like transparent PNGs and won't display them properly. Also, Windows in general has problems with the PNG suppport. Ever right click > copy image then paste into photoshop or other application? The transparency turns black!!

Trust me, this is just another failed attempt to monoplolize something else in the industry...

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Hercco
A new file format by a company, not a standardizing body, is always an attempt to monopolize or at least to make competitors life harder.

In case of images... we'll they won't pull through. But if people are stupid enough to start using it (I can imagine people on MSN trying to send me wmp photos...) and if MS gets a digital camera manufacturer or Nokia to directly support the format then they can cause of lot of damage.

But like I said this will be too much for Microsoft. Granted, people use WMV, but that's mainly because the video codec field had been a bit of loose as no dominant standard has risen. And also, granted that people use WMA, but that's just because they're dumb.

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xboxrulz
anyways, what features does it give that others don't?

xboxrulz

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Hercco
QUOTE(xboxrulz @ Jun 26 2006, 07:09 AM) *

anyways, what features does it give that others don't?


I reckon no other image format is currently windows-only. rolleyes.gif

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xboxrulz
lol, then seriously, what the hell is the point to have WMP, I don't think it'll go too far. This is because 99% of everyone uses JPG as the storage for cameras!

xboxrulz

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vtitty
So, now Microsoft makes their own file format instead of actually getting PNG to work in IE?

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JoRgE
QUOTE(vtitty @ Jun 27 2006, 04:59 PM) *

So, now Microsoft makes their own file format instead of actually getting PNG to work in IE?

YES!!! and works

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twitch
Microsoft is a company that requires profit as a way to survive. Producing a new software doesn't always provide this, and neither does selling hardware. So, to go one step further, they produce things that people use everyday. But why? Because a lot of companies have realised that by producing something that is used everyday, more people are likely to use it, especially if it is cheaper, better and more secure than it's pre-decessors.

The WMP format will more than likely be a growing image format and will more than likely soon take over the spotlight of JPEG2000 and it's entire features (although the WMP format is a while away from that).

As for support of this format, you can tell that it will take some time for Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc to be able to support it.

If you think that this image file type will be exclusive to some kind of MS imaging software, then think like MS. Do we want to make it exclusive at the risk of shooting ourselves in the foot?

PNG support will be improved for IE7. It's lack of support in earlier versions is easily fixed (but not recommended) by using Javascript to fix the Alpha channel (transparency).

Microsoft however have not thought of the implications of the WMP image file type on other platforms. It will take some serious negotiations between Linux distros and other O/S with Microsoft to get the file type cross-platform friendly.

Depending on it's strength and quality, I may find myself using WMP for desktop publishing, however for the web I will stick to GIF, JPG or no images.

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kaputnik
QUOTE(Djetamun @ May 29 2006, 03:46 AM) *

But if we were to judge depending on the WMP counterparts, WMA and WMV, we'd have to say it won't be such a huge success. After all, even though WMA and WMV were indeed very nice, they're not that popular.

So I'd say that WMP has a fair chance of being an alternative to JPG. But if Microsoft is hoping for replacing JPG, I think they might be in over their heads.

Either way, we'd have to wait and see. At least until results of Vista Beta-2 are out, as a primary indicator.


A point to note here. The basic reasoning behind WMA & WMV were to restrict change of format and to enable advanced features where copyright may be protected. Also, when dealing with Windows formats, it becomes necessary to utlize appropriate software - most of which is not free.

Now Freedom to do what you want with any item once it's on you computer is what makes say an MP3 file so much more popular than a .wma file. Similarly, if someone sends you a small video - it's pretty likely to be and avi or mpg instead of wmv - because if you want to play around with it - whammo - you're sitting on a bundle of problems from the point of view of applications which will handle it. I mean like I even have come across one wma file where you HAVE to watch the whole movie from start - it disables the jump forward feature by dragging the progress bar forward. I mean like how silly is that? Also try opening a wmp file into VirtualDub if you want to say recompress it into a format you're more comfortable with - that's a no-no.

That is why, windows released formats do not do all that well. I'ts because of the lack of freedom to do what you want with it once t's on your computer. sooner or later it's going to catch up with Microsoft and bite it hard. Because of a person's natural instinct that draws a person to something that is free and versatile instead of being attached to a cost and being restrictive.

Currently, the reason why MS apps are so very popular is because it is restrictive - and the fact that a kitten can begin operating (other than my mother who looks at a computer and just shies away). MS actively encourages corporates to utilize it's products with the extra 'helping hand' of support being only a call away - and the fact that since MS actively encourages schools and educational institutions to teach on it's software, manpower automatically adapts to using MS - and therefore are more acceptable to moving towards MS and specifically Windows formats.

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xboxrulz
Easier said than done. I try to boycott Windows, but I still have to use it when I absolutely need to, which is whenever I want to play a game.

I can't sacrifice too much for my beliefs.

xboxrulz

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