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Does God Exist?

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Does God Exist?

Merovingian
Coming from both a Catholic (ex) and biological background, I can say I've seen and read deeply into both areas. As I am a biologist, I firmly hold the belief that there is no god and that our creation is down to simple genetics and evolution. I just find it too difficult to accept that an idea (which is outdated) to be true.

Religion was a powerful tool in the dark ages, which was able to guide the weak and teach leanings to the masses of uneducated people everywhere. It gave them hope in an otherwise hopeless world. Since then, things have changed. As a race, I believe we need to concentrate on each other and not our separate religions. If not, I believe we will eventually tear ourselves apart.

We can, as a race, develop space travel, surgery, physics, technology etc.... but we can't let go of a belief in a god? That, I'll never understand.

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phalgun123
Some people believe that god exists and some do not. It's a difficult question though.

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khalilov
Every creation has a creator, the world didn't just pop out of nowhere. Energy can be transformed not created. So there had to be something that started the world. There are many theories about how the world started. The most common one is the big bang which says that every thing was inside a small sphere with infinite desnsity which exploded and created everything. Where did the sphere come from?
Also people researching the big bang theory say that if any thing was a bit different, whether it was the mass released or timing or speed of the moving matter , the world wouldn't have been created. If the mass was slower everything would have collapsed back to the sphere. If it were faster , planets and galaxies would not have been created.
Thats the world, as for life , i don't know any chemical or scientific explanation that says X + Y--->Life
I am not discussing any certain religiousity here, I am just saying that God existing makes sense, cuz if God didn't exist, where did we come from?
Some might say where did God come from? well i can't anwser that. Because if i said God came from X, then X would become God because X can take back God the same way it brought it. Thats why there are religions, to explain what we can't understand and to give many of us a reason to wake up everyday (belief in a better place after death). If there were no religiousities or believes in God. Every one who approaches age of death would either freak out and go on a killing spree or lock him self up and live in sadness. A little of topic here:)
Any way, i believe God exists because of both religious believes and scientific explanations.

 

 

 


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Lancer
There are a number of influential God-people out there, those who venture out to hard situations in Faith, who testify that God gets them through situation after situation. Apparently being with them is pretty evident... but it would require something of Faith to put yourself in a situation to find out. It's almost like God is saying, "try me and see, but don't expect me to show you evidence if you're only interested in the safe seat. I don't go by your rules."

I remember a number of years back when I took up a Flatmate (kind of a "good deed" when flats were hard to find after I'd landed this one in difficult times) who turned out to be an alcoholic... not a hardened one by any means. He never threw up anywhere but would occasionally comatize himself or have police knocking on my door at 3am to drop him off. Needless to say there were issues in trying to get board payments out of him etc. I was a bit young at heart then and couldn't bring myself to kick him out.
When I tried to reason with him about payments etc, he got abusive. He attacked my church-going manner along with everything else. He said religion was fake, and too authoritarian which meant it contradicted any loving God. I didn't have an answer for him. Frankly it felt like God was hiding when I needed Him to step in. I went away "to do the washing" but was fuming. There were a few expletives (I really don't think God minds swearing btw) and up in the laundry I got this... kind of a vision. It was these words that just appeared in my mind. I couldn't shake them out. All they said was "ROMANS 13". Eventually I pulled my bible out of my back pocket and was surprised by what that chapter read.
To cut it briefly, the chapter directly contradicted, piece by piece and very clearly what my flatmate had been saying against me. I was stunned by the relevance of it. I raced down the street and there he was smoking away... I asked if he minded me reading the passage... he did not. When I finished, he dropped something in front of me. "What's this?" I asked.
"There ya go..." he replied "my first down payment."

Now, I won't say that was the end of all problems or anything, but the same as above. It sure reconfirmed a God-reality to me when I needed it. And if I hadn't put myself out in the first place, getting the flatmate in, and then trying to live out the faith... I guess I wouldn't be any the wiser.

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Merovingian
QUOTE(khalilov @ Sep 2 2008, 05:36 PM) *
Any way, i believe God exists because of both religious believes and scientific explanations.


What scientific explanations? If science could prove god, wouldn't we all believe in it? That's why I'm an atheist!!! There is no scientific explanations! lol

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Running With Scissors
Let me first start by saying yes I believe God is real and created everyone and everything.
Now I comes down to this, what seems more probable?
That the entire universe was once a hot ball of matter and then one day desided to blow up aka the big bang theory and then every thing was tossed across the universe and turned into planets and suns and the planets developed a atmosphere where gasess could be contained. So far it sounds pretty unlikely to happen but wait it gets more unlikely. Then after all the planets were in place life appeared some how as single cells and then magically turned into fish over millions of years. Then those fish grew legs and started breathing air. Now we'll skip ahead a bit because I don't want to ramble on and on. A big ball of fire hits the earth and kills a lot of the animals allowing the mamals to take over the world and turn from apes to humans.
Or
That there is a God that alway is and aways will be that created the entire universe the way it is. This way sound a lot less complicated doesn't it?
Eirther way there is something that has been around for ever. Which was it the universe or God. Most people don't understand the God is out side of time because he created time. Science doesn't aply to Him. He made science He made everything. The universe just doesn't make itself. So now your probably saying if God is real why can't I hear/see/feel Him. First off people did see Him when he came down to earth to teach people the word and then died for your sins. Well he could have been a normal person. Does a normal person come back from the dead three days after everyone saw Him die? Back to the why can't I hear/see/feel Him, you can you just aren't tring hard enough or the devil has your ears covered from God's word. That can be fixed by comiting your life to Jesus. Only then, after you hear His voice, can you answer the question is God real.

God is real.

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Merovingian
What sounds more plausible:

Maths, physics, geology, biology - all are quantifiable and well established in our society. We take what actual, physical evidence we have (fossil record, genetics, geology etc.) and work on theories which again, are based on scientific / quantifiable evidence. Evolution is very much at the centre of everything and is driving us onwards all the time. There is no belief or faith, nor any assumptions that this is life and it was made for us. I personally feel it is just ignorant to think that we're the centre of the universe. Like I said, 500 years ago, when we had little understanding of science, the prospect of an omnipotent god what had all the answers to our questions would have been welcomed by many. Now we have a higher understanding of ourselves and science, we can throw away the simple notions of creationism and embrace the universe as it really is.

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God, angels, devil etc - are really in control of this planet (and the universe - which we are the centre of) and that 4000 thousand years ago (forgetting the dinosaurs - they're just a trick by god) he created the earth in 7 days (1,000,000 + species). He's omnipotent and infallible and all knowing of everything. If we live by his old, outdated rules, we go to his magical place called heaven. There, we live for eternity in peace and harmony. If we're bad, we go to hell and meet the devil, who will punish us for an eternity in hell fire. Don't worry though, god still loves us (Oh yeah, there was some guy called Jesus also - but that is another story).

I know which is just a good story and which is real. Will people, 1000's of years in the future find a Harry Potter book and start believing in that too? I can't tell the difference if I'm completely honest.


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Running With Scissors
It seems much more probable that God created everything than it does that everything just fell the way it is and life just appeared one day and turned into humans. God lives outside of science because he created it, he created time and everything else. Jesus was killed in front of tons of people and then tons of people saw him alive three days later, explain that.

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phdex
Hello everyone,

I am a believer. And I think God is completely a big fact no one can deny. Why ? Only 1 reason to say there is a God is (for me)

1) The existence of PI . Pi is an unknown number. As you know about Pi. Its in everywhere.. All our technology is based on pi. And we still do not know what pi is. Pi is the factor of God. I think God is telling us that 'you slaves has nothing but what I let you know'. And he is not letting us know.

the others are ..

2) There is no proof of nonexistence (or absence). It is a very well known scientific rule that nothing on earth is completely destroyed nor created. So human can not create, can not destroy . Both creating and destroying are the powers that are subject to GOD. Forming any thing from the world or changing the form of an object is not creating or destroying.

3) Absence itself is not a thing. It's a think of mind. Maybe just like GOD. If you think there is an absence than you have to accept there might be a GOD. Accepting that everything is created by nothing and nothing is existed is such a silly thing. I think thinking of a GOD who created all the things and all the worlds are much more reasonable.

4) Our GOD (I mean of Islam) is not like your way of thinking GOD of yourself (I mean to the un-islamic people). Our God is only one and only. Our god is powerful and full of wisdom. My God is the Lord of the Science and Math and Technology. Nothing in technology or science is against my God or my religion. Islam is very badly known in the world but the real Islam is far from the bad things you see hear or learn. My God created the PI, the math and the sciences. Its a very very long story.. I wish I could tell all I know.. But briefly Trust me there are so many signs to the Existence of GOD..

5) Everybody knows that Computer Technology is based on Zero's and One's 0 , 1 . and everybody knows that if it is possible to make it 0,1,2 the technology will be tripled by speed. But there is no chance of doing it now. And There will not be a chance.. Do you know why ? Because God shows us that the technology is based on his knowledge.. O(zero) stands for NONEXISTENCE and 1(one) Stands for creation. Both of them are the powers that God Has.. You may have another explanations for Zero's and One's but my way of thinking is this.. Because.. In Islam there will be the judgment day. And before that day there will be a total destroy of everything but god.. and After that Destroy there will only be GOD and the NONEXISTENCE. Zero and ONE . After that God will create everything back.. That moment is an incredible time.. zero and one is nothing but numbers but its incredible.. Everyone who knows about math will accept that Zero and ONE are the most problematic numbers. They are extremely basic but extremely complex. Zero divided by one and one divided by zero are complex. and there are many many things about one and zero. As you know Zero is the last number found.. Because Zero is nothing.. and there is nothing to prove that Zero exists. and so on..

If anyone is interested in this subject and my words he/she can mail me..
Thank you all, for reading the words I typed..

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jjkeenan
I do come from a very catholic and muslim religious country and in many ways, influences me and my being a person. Yes, now that I am also an agnostic, part of me still has fears of dying. Though I already have kids, I give them the independence of choosing their beliefs. There is nothing wrong about religion and beleiving or disbeleiving God. The only point of its existence is because people need some sort of a barrier to keep them reminded about social norms which prevents them from being insane or lawless like other animals.

Probably in my later years, I will searching for a religion which will comfort me on my last hours. It would be painfull but, as what Darwin "I am not in the least afraid to die."

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