Chesso
Dec 29 2006, 09:15 AM
| | Iv'e tried a few applications and since the last few days, aside from the windows defrag utlity, none them defrag, they just don't do anything.......
Some of them reckon the MFT needs to be defragged, but there in-built support for defragging just as windows starts up, always fails, it just sits there on a loading screen and does bugger all......
This used to never be a problem on previous windows xp installs, so this particular configuration must be borked somehow.
Does anyone know of a utility that can defrag the MFT/PageFile etc on boot?, like the old boot from floppy software, google doesn't seem to be yeilding much unless I'm using the wrong keywords.
Some games just today have started crashing on me randomly now all of a sudden also, only a few though which is a bit annoying, I think my drives have gone a little effed on me.
Any help is much appreciated. I really need a new computer setup but money is tight and finding work is a pain at the moment. |
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miCRoSCoPiC^eaRthLinG
Dec 29 2006, 10:59 AM
Try O & O Defrag - I've been using it over a long time. It does all you want plus more... of course, it's a licensed tool, but worth every penny  You can get it from: http://www.oo-software.com/en/
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Chesso
Dec 29 2006, 11:17 AM
Yeah I know someone who has a licensed version, it actually works very well from what I saw and the comments I have heard but it seems all defrag software fails to perform the windows safe method of defragging at boot, for anything. All I see is a blank image with Windows or some such written on it before the login screen comes up and it just freezes there.
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Grafitti
Dec 29 2006, 04:30 PM
xboxrulz
Dec 29 2006, 07:02 PM
You can defrag your page files :s? I never knew that is even possible. Heck, I dunno even if I can fsck my swap partition in Linux :s xboxrulz
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tansqrx
Dec 29 2006, 09:27 PM
My all time favorite is Diskkeeper. It sounds like you may have other problems not relating to a fragmentation problem. A fragmented hard drive will slow performance but it should not cause any crashes. Since you mentioned you installed new games and that’s when the crashes started, two things come to mind. The first is the tried and true driver problems. Perhaps the newer games are crapping out on an old driver. The second is heat. I have found that the cause of many random reboots is over heated components. This could be either the video card or CPU. You may want to check this if you have your computer in an enclosed area or maybe just open the case and see if the problems go away. Second on the list can be bad RAM or a failing hard drive. RAM is one of the absolutely hardest things to check for unless you have specialized equipment so I would save that for last. Microsoft also has a utility at http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp that runs a RAM test. The second possibility is a failing hard drive. There are several applications that will check this (not least of which is the disk that came with the hard drive) but I am a vivid supporter of SpinRite by GRC which can be found at http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm. I hope this leads you to investigate other items as I doubt that pagefile fragmentation is your real problem.
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Chesso
Dec 29 2006, 11:45 PM
this computer is about a year old, the ram and everythign is all the same so unless it's suddenly wanting to die on me (both sticks). The computer itself hasn't been crashing (although it occasionaly does freeze up when I try to load up the list of available drives, but quite rare). It's some of the games themselves that started crashing, just closing themselves which could be a bug, it's just that they were rather random (as they shutdown on things I have done in places I have done them a 100 times before). Heat is a possibility, although I hope not as there isn't much I can do about it for now lol.
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FeedBacker
Jun 10 2008, 05:34 AM
Replying to ChessoThis sounds like heat or power related. (I am assuming you haven't done any overclocking ;) ) Have you popped the cover & checked to see if dust bunnies have taken up residence in the CPU heat sink cooling fan? -reply by phi1l
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iGuest-Mohsin
Aug 20 2008, 08:27 PM
MFT usage is currently 99% of total MFT size. Now how can I face this problem. Please send solution. Can I resize the MFT or Defragment the MFT. -question by Mohsin
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iGuest-returned4good
Nov 1 2008, 04:11 PM
MFT usage and size
How To Defrag MFT, Pagefile etc. On Boot?
Replying to iGuestActually, the MFT should automatically resize as needed by the OS. However, I myself am still trying to find a fully reliable and truly effective way to defrag it. This should help elaborate. Http://www.Pcguide.Com/ref/hdd/file/ntfs/archMFT-c.Html -reply by returned4good
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iGuest
Nov 17 2009, 05:21 PM
Re: pagefile on another partition
How To Defrag MFT, Pagefile etc. On Boot?
Creating a pagefile on a small partition created just for that purpose is inefficient and will cause far more disk thrashing than is necessary as the heads will have to move to that partition to write to the pagefile then move all the way back to the main area to read the files on the system partition. The rule of thumb is to put the pagefile on the "most used partition of the least used drive."
If you have two drives, by all means put the page file on the 2nd drive but putting it on a different partition of your system drive gives no benefit. Only time you would want to move the pagefile to another partition is if you want to defrag the page file from your system drive because it's been set to system managed and you want to make it fixed (usually 1.5x your total RAM).
In this situation, I move the page file to the 2nd partition, reboot into safe mode (or use diagnostic startup in msconfig and turn off all startup options) then defrag the system drive and then move and fix the min/max of the page file to the primary partition and a fixed size, then reboot again. Page file then stays where it is and stays contiguous.
-reply by Freakstone
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iGuest
Jun 15 2009, 02:45 PM
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How To Defrag MFT, Pagefile etc. On Boot?
Don't pay if you don't have to.
For defrag of MFT download BCUpdate2.Exe available from Microsoft and elsewhere:
http://support.Microsoft.Com/default.Aspx?scid=kb;en-us;320397
For defrag of registry, page files, event logs, and other system files try PageDefrag, also from Microsoft:
http://technet.Microsoft.Com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.Aspx
-William
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iGuest
Apr 20 2009, 02:25 PM
A great deal of concern over a very minor problem
How To Defrag MFT, Pagefile etc. On Boot?
It is very doubtful that the problems described are caused by fragmentation. Actually, fragmentation is unlikely to have much effect on performance unless it reaches extreme levels. Often the methods used in attempt to reduce it will cause more trouble than the fragmentation.
Regarding the MFT: Except in very specific cases (rare), the system will manage this best without any user intervention. Uninformed meddling, such as described in the comments, will rarely be beneficial.
Regarding the pagefile: Contrary to many uninformed sources, the default settings are not inefficient. The pagefile will not gradually fragment itself if it is system managed or allowed to expand. DO NOT put the pagefile on a separate partition unless it is also on a separate physical drive. Doing this will solve the imaginary problem of fragmentation while creating a problem that is very real. This is almost certain to impair performance. Unless you have a very specific need and understand what you are doing, leave it on default settings.
Windows designers understand the system better than you do.
Larry Miller, Microsoft MCSA
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iGuest
Apr 10 2009, 01:14 PM
How To Defrag MFT, Pagefile etc. On Boot?
How To Defrag MFT, Pagefile etc. On Boot?
There is a program that will enable you to defrag your page file, MFT and all other system metafiles that are normally not defraggable. It will also enable you to place those files wherever on your hard drive you like. It called UltimateDefrag.
Look here: http://www.Disktrix.Com/
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iGuest
Mar 25 2009, 01:29 PM
Pagfile Management
How To Defrag MFT, Pagefile etc. On Boot?
When ever I install an OS I create a small partion which I call S:\SWAP (that what it used to be called) that is about 2 times the memory of the computer. With todays hard drive sizes this is almost nothing space wise. I them move the Pagefile to this drive, set min to the memory size and max to a number just shy of the volume size. I never worry about it again.
Now, If I could do the same thing with the hibernation file...
-reply by Mr. Z
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