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In your own post you assured people they wouldn't be killed. From that statement I presumed that you thought such an assurance was necessary. If it was a joke, I just misunderstood. No need to get so bent out of shape.

But as for where I came up with such an opinion- from my misunderstanding of your post.

Chill.

MajesticTreeFrog,
Believe me, I was NOT bent out of shape... hehe... but I can show you "bent out of shape"... !

Also - excuse my being blunt - if you misunderstood my post then it is simply your own fault and you should not find my reply "wrong" or "bent out of shape". Nonetheless, I apologize if you found my post as such... .

And... I am still waiting for any othe questions anyone may have... as I said, I don't mind answering any questions and clearing things up.

Well?
HTML_Guru

Yep yep. No one hostile here. You know what really sucks though? Sometimes you can just be telling people what you honestly think and they will get mad at you.

Jeez I can’t believe how many people believe in religion though. I feel kind of embarrassed for them. To me it looks like they are all making fools of themselves. It’s like a little kids thing you know? Like Santa Claus for grown ups. I can’t imagine what they are thinking. I just can’t grasp the concept. I didn’t even believe in Santa Claus as a kid so you can imagine how religion looks to me. I’ve also never had religion in my life and I’m taking a religion class for college right now. The things I’m learning blow my mind. You should hear about some of the religious practices. Some are barbaric and completely disrespectful to life and human life. I’m also learning just how cult like mainstream religions are. There is some good in it but most of everything is cult or plain stupid. I had no idea.

It leads to problems you know… When people lose their grasp on reality…

MajesticTreeFrog,

While I dislike your unfounded insinuation, I will attempt to handle it properly; firstly, realize that the above comment I made was nothing more than a joke to put some levity into this thread.  Secondly, I have no fear of such an occurence - none at all... as a matter of fact, I'm unsure where you came up with such an opinion.

HTML_Guru

In your own post you assured people they wouldn't be killed. From that statement I presumed that you thought such an assurance was necessary. If it was a joke, I just misunderstood. No need to get so bent out of shape.

But as for where I came up with such an opinion- from my misunderstanding of your post.

Chill.

Have you considered that some things in religion can be backed up?  And when I say, 'in religion' I don't mean christianity, or any other specific religion, just the entire spiritual spectrum.  Some of it can be backed up.

For instance, consider spontaneous acts of kindness.  Religions of all stripes honor these, say they are good, worthwhile, and noble. 

Granted, you do not need a religion to have these values, but at the same time, these values are not things that are 'backed up'.  Even if you find evidence for them, that isn't really why people do them, and likely as not, if you agree with these values, being 'backed up' has little to do with WHY you believe them.

Anyway, I think your issue with religion comes when religion covers questions that are factual and phyiscal in nature, rather than spiritual (like the beginning of life, etc).  If this is the case then I agree, Religion has no business yapping about such things.  Science is far better suited.

I agree with your science thing but I don't think I'm with you on spirituality. I think that doesn't have anything to do with religion. I think it has to do with human nature. I think people are good at heart and evil ones are just the people who got lost somewhere along the way.

By your own statement 'you won't be killed' it is clear that there is a well known fear. Where do you think this comes from?

MajesticTreeFrog,

While I dislike your unfounded insinuation, I will attempt to handle it properly; firstly, realize that the above comment I made was nothing more than a joke to put some levity into this thread. Secondly, I have no fear of such an occurence - none at all... as a matter of fact, I'm unsure where you came up with such an opinion.

Nonetheless...

The comment on how there have been killings connected with Scientology is nothing more than black propaganda; i.e., lies. The purpose of such a comment is to stimulate a reader to one view or another; that is all.

So...

While I myself don't appreciate your view, MajesticTreeFrog, it IS your view, and I will respect it as YOUR view. If you have any more questions, please ask.

Would anyone like any other questions, confusions, or unassurances answered? Don't be hesitant, as I don't mind clearing things up!

Thanks,
HTML_Guru

Eeeshhh...  Too much reading but I believe in what can be explained and what can be backed up.  Things that make sense.  Things that have concrete evidence.  To me, those are the only things that are really true.  In other words I believe all religion is total nonsense and I have no idea how any sane person could accept something like that.  We are so used to things like god but when you really stop and think about it, it’s just madness.  How can so many people believe in that stuff?  Not just a few but the most of the world.  ErrrRRRRrrrrRRRRR…  IT BLOWS MY MIND OMG!!!  HOW CAN PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THAT STUFF AYEEEEEEE!!!  IT’S JUST MADNESS, I CAN’T STAND IT!!!!  HHHOOOWWW???  WWWHHHYYY???  ARRRRRRRR!!!

I’m done…

Have you considered that some things in religion can be backed up? And when I say, 'in religion' I don't mean christianity, or any other specific religion, just the entire spiritual spectrum. Some of it can be backed up.

For instance, consider spontaneous acts of kindness. Religions of all stripes honor these, say they are good, worthwhile, and noble.

Granted, you do not need a religion to have these values, but at the same time, these values are not things that are 'backed up'. Even if you find evidence for them, that isn't really why people do them, and likely as not, if you agree with these values, being 'backed up' has little to do with WHY you believe them.

Anyway, I think your issue with religion comes when religion covers questions that are factual and phyiscal in nature, rather than spiritual (like the beginning of life, etc). If this is the case then I agree, Religion has no business yapping about such things. Science is far better suited.

Eeeshhh... Too much reading but I believe in what can be explained and what can be backed up. Things that make sense. Things that have concrete evidence. To me, those are the only things that are really true. In other words I believe all religion is total nonsense and I have no idea how any sane person could accept something like that. We are so used to things like god but when you really stop and think about it, it’s just madness. How can so many people believe in that stuff? Not just a few but the most of the world. ErrrRRRRrrrrRRRRR… IT BLOWS MY MIND OMG!!! HOW CAN PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THAT STUFF AYEEEEEEE!!! IT’S JUST MADNESS, I CAN’T STAND IT!!!! HHHOOOWWW??? WWWHHHYYY??? ARRRRRRRR!!!

I’m done…

For who this may concern,

for the purpose of keeping this forum clean, I will be as least touchy as possible, as I mean to keep all my friends and hopefully not lose any chances of gaining new ones.  Please don't criticize, and understand my point of view.

I am a scientologist; I have been all my life.  Throughout my experience in Scientology (which is a whole of 15-some years), I have yet to encounter any situation whereupon someone truthful and WITH Scientology 1) banned someone from the some part of the religion or whole without a "without a doubt", and I mean "without a doubt" reason and with just cause. 2) No significant Scientologist has ever killed some other Scientologist, significant or not, for leaving, attempting to leave, or making someone leave - never.  I can surely say that no one in truthfully with Scientology has ever purposely hurt anyone else in Scientology, either leaving, attempting to leave, or making someone else leave.

I ask that before you attempt to renounce my religion, read up on it.  Find out about it. Trust me, you will NOT be killed  .

In any case, I have enough knowledge in my own religion that I can take any questions one might have.  Make sure the question is valid and not far out.  Also, I'm just gonig to disregard rants because, for the sake of religion, I don't think it's fair to renounce any religion and thusly, I don't do so.

So, any questions?

By your own statement 'you won't be killed' it is clear that there is a well known fear. Where do you think this comes from?

I am agnostic. I believe that there are beings out there that far-surpass our current form. Perhaps they exist as energy. But what I don't believe in is God, and the prophets. I will not say why, as it will more than likely cause a lot of trouble.

For who this may concern,

for the purpose of keeping this forum clean, I will be as least touchy as possible, as I mean to keep all my friends and hopefully not lose any chances of gaining new ones. Please don't criticize, and understand my point of view.

I am a scientologist; I have been all my life. Throughout my experience in Scientology (which is a whole of 15-some years), I have yet to encounter any situation whereupon someone truthful and WITH Scientology 1) banned someone from the some part of the religion or whole without a "without a doubt", and I mean "without a doubt" reason and with just cause. 2) No significant Scientologist has ever killed some other Scientologist, significant or not, for leaving, attempting to leave, or making someone leave - never. I can surely say that no one in truthfully with Scientology has ever purposely hurt anyone else in Scientology, either leaving, attempting to leave, or making someone else leave.

I ask that before you attempt to renounce my religion, read up on it. Find out about it. Trust me, you will NOT be killed .

In any case, I have enough knowledge in my own religion that I can take any questions one might have. Make sure the question is valid and not far out. Also, I'm just gonig to disregard rants because, for the sake of religion, I don't think it's fair to renounce any religion and thusly, I don't do so.

So, any questions?