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Posted 10 October 2009 - 01:56 PM

Religion and contradictionsReligious Contradiction

Science seeks objective truth. Its application (applied science) is technology. Normally an application of truth is done with an eye on profit. This means that when commercialized it becomes corrupt.

Spirituality seeks subjective truth. Its application ( shall I say applied spirituality) is religion. Here also the application of truth is done with an eye on profit.

A spirit seeker always looks inwards. He is normally not bothered about others or outside world. While the objective truth seeker always look outward.

I do not know if I made it very clear. Please correct me if I am wrong

ASHOK

 


noddy

Posted 15 February 2007 - 11:10 PM

If you are one of those who deny God, look back and think about what you felt about commiting these "sins". Did you feel any remorse?


I feel bad if i have wronged another, but thats not cus i wanna get in gods good books, its because whoever i have wronged is a living person. They are an intelegent life form and think freely. And we come to ur theory on sinning, are u actually saying that only atheists sin and dont regret it?

The other thing in ur post, yuhuu, u contradicted urself. u said only ppl that dont like to sin seek the truth, but u also said that sinners will seek a way to prove gods not real, wouldnt that also be seeking the truth?

PS. havn't humans found skeletons of half evolved humans, because if you keep adapting theres actually going to be mutations after a while. Im not saying evolution took overnight it took billions of years. Like if you had a bunch of horses and u breed the biggest ones together, and repeated this for a hundred years, you would have a bigger breed of horse. Just like if the smartest monkeys breed(makes sense cause they have inntelagence in common) you would end up with a verry slightly smarter monkey, rinse and repeat, and in a million years u have the first step towards human likeness!

demolaynyc

Posted 15 February 2007 - 01:31 PM

1) not only that..to create a new species, It must happen a lot if not millions of DNA mutations. That is impossible to happen by chance..,,besides that,,if you try to breed different species is impossible because they have different pair of cromosomes..OK..you have your point..Some especies adapt to their surroundings,,but does that mean that it is a new species? ,,or just that it adapted..You know,,if it adapted,,then there is no DNA mutation,,and There is no new species..

2) About the contradictions...In my experience,,only people that love some kind of sin,,is the people that find any reason,,to try to deny Gods reality..Other people,,find sense in their religion...

3) Wrapping all up, people who likes to sin, will find any excuse to stay in a relativism about good and evil ( everything depends on your point of view...yada yada yada ) and people who do not like to sin,,will seek the truth,,and the truth will set them free...You know Jesus is the truth..

Well this is just an opinion,, I did not try to offend, I just tried to point some experiences I had...


Adding on to this (I hope you don't mind) is that those who like to sin and want to find the facts to prove it's ok to do these things will try to deny God's existence. But those who are broken down and have become so low in society (not saying that you have to) have tried to look for someone. They turn to God when they find out about him.

If you are one of those who deny God, look back and think about what you felt about commiting these "sins". Did you feel any remorse?

yuhuu

Posted 15 February 2007 - 04:37 AM

1) not only that..to create a new species, It must happen a lot if not millions of DNA mutations. That is impossible to happen by chance..,,besides that,,if you try to breed different species is impossible because they have different pair of cromosomes..OK..you have your point..Some especies adapt to their surroundings,,but does that mean that it is a new species? ,,or just that it adapted..You know,,if it adapted,,then there is no DNA mutation,,and There is no new species..

2) About the contradictions...In my experience,,only people that love some kind of sin,,is the people that find any reason,,to try to deny Gods reality..Other people,,find sense in their religion...

3) Wrapping all up, people who likes to sin, will find any excuse to stay in a relativism about good and evil ( everything depends on your point of view...yada yada yada ) and people who do not like to sin,,will seek the truth,,and the truth will set them free...You know Jesus is the truth..

Well this is just an opinion,, I did not try to offend, I just tried to point some experiences I had...

demolaynyc

Posted 13 February 2007 - 08:15 PM

But i think that chistianity has its BAD bits too.
Like the garden of Eden, its a proven fact: evolution happens.
In australia since the introduction of cane toads lots of australian critters are dying
because they try and eat the toads, but some animals are evolving and adapting to the
poisen.
Thats EVOLUTION!!!!!!


As Christians, we don't deny evolution entirely. I agree that living things adapt to their environment such as IMMUNITY. The Spaniards were immuned to the disease they brought upon the Native Americans. That's a fact for sure and is foolish to deny. Survival of the fittest is also true because if a specie can't survive then it's doomed to extinction. But the idea that we have come from single-celled organisms is not

noddy

Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:30 AM

As a proud athiest i dont concider their to be a god, or good and evil for that matter
No offence intended but i think scientology is the stupidest thing ever!
Look it up, their god figure Xenu came to earth on a space ship that looked like a 'Douglas DC-8'
Thats a modern plane for F#@K SAKE!!!
It was made by a science fiction writer and i susspect that theres not that much REAL science involved anyway.....

But i think that chistianity has its BAD bits too.
Like the garden of Eden, its a proven fact: evolution happens.
In australia since the introduction of cane toads lots of australian critters are dying
because they try and eat the toads, but some animals are evolving and adapting to the
poisen.
Thats EVOLUTION!!!!!!

Judism on the other hand isnt quite as bad,
if people lived their lifes using it as a basic guideline it would be good,
like only giveing painless deaths to livestock

But I still think being a ateist is good! ;)

mtnbluet

Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:04 AM

I think religion is a way of life. Some people took it so seriously that they started their will on others on the name of religion. Some even went farther and started killing and raping on the name of religion. All it is that depends on interpretation of every religion. Christianity and Islam are more conservative because they go by one book. While Buddhism, Sikhism and Hinduism seem to be freer in nature and more adaptive to change , they do not deliberately convert people.


I think you hit on two fundamental things. First, serving God needs to be a way of life. When we see someone else "missing it' then we need to pray to God to open their eyes to see what they should be doing or where they should go. This flows naturally into the second thing: that is, namely that converting people is Okay if it is done in a presenting method. Presenting means presenting Christ to someone if they are interested. Deliberately attempting to convert someone whether they are interested in God or not, is not only wrong, it is trampling the rights of others. Unfortunately, alot of times people do attempt to do this and do not see anything wrong with it.

Why can't we just see the value in another person and trust them and God enough to let them make their own decisions?

demolaynyc

Posted 13 February 2007 - 12:41 AM

Put the facts on the table, don't preach, just tell, and let people make their own minds up.


Speaking for Christianity:

Many ministers have done this. The fact is, truth is so overwhelming and scary that people turn away from it. If someone says "Repent!" to you or "You are going to hell!" or just purely give out the facts to you when of course you know nothing about the religion, you would be turned off instantly.

These come from past experiences. Our pastor told us just a portion of the facts during our worship service and almost all were overwhelmed with confusion, fear, and disgust. The truth is meant to be given out in small portions, just as Jesus have preached long ago.

If you are to read the book of John, it shows you that Jesus our Lord and Savior did not give all the facts, instead spoke of them in pieces and showed his Power bit by bit.

If we are to tell and put the facts on the table, the listeners will be too confused to even take in all that information to make their own minds up.

mtnbluet

Posted 06 February 2007 - 01:08 AM

Is it really true that every world religion is swimming in its gigantic own swimming pools of contradiction?

I personally believe the answer to the above question is yes.

Let me just outline some basic contradictions in all world religions:

Christianity - Love thy neighbour despite the fact your neighbour is destined to go to hell if they are not Christian. Has no real religion anymore. Catholicism was completely changed in the 14-1500's and has never returned to its true teachings. Protestantism is not the direct word of Jesus, as very few would know this, considering it was based on the foundations of Catholicism, which was ultimately corrup at the time, so anything they may have written would be incorrect, and in accurate. My Conclusion: Christianity is now an overall commercialised religion.


I really don't see any contradition in Loving thy neighbor---by doing so, people can see the Love of Jesus at work. Why? because logically why should a person care about someone who doesn't care about them. Jesus gives us the ability to care. That ability is what draws the neighbor to the person, and hence, to their own decision to accept Jesus as their own personal Savior. Maybe at a quick glance there appears to be a contradiction, but I see no contradiction at all.

yuhuu

Posted 25 January 2007 - 03:43 AM

well, for me is simple,,First you have to come to a common understanding of what religion is...Religion is anything that you cand do to deserve accptance of your God...Religion tends to corruption..I am Christian,,and that means that I dont believe in religion. Being christian means, that you dont take decisions all alone anymore,,you seek Jesus decision first,,Thats all...It is simple..
and just to have another perspective....the birth and dissapearing of religions is a normal process in humanity...different "Gods" once ruled the earth..and then they vanished..now they are just like kids stories (roman and creek myths, etc)...Well,,my friends..it will happen again..So,,dont get disturbed with so many religions...Just seek the truth...I know what the truth is...and I am sure you will find it...

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