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post Dec 25 2007, 06:57 AM
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Another step in working towards interoperability. It is very important in the world where web browsers are free and there are many alternatives. For example: Mozilla Firefox and Opera.

On December 19, Ars Technica ran an article that confirms the pre-beta builds of Internet Explorer 8 did indeed pass the Acid 2 test. According to the same article, Microsoft is walking on a thin line between interoperability and compatibility with older Internet Explorer builds like 6 and 7. Also, it should be noted that the first Internet Explorer 8 beta will be released in early 2008.

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Since getting Internet Explorer 7 out the door in October 2006, Microsoft has kept mostly silent on the topic of its successor. That changed today, as Microsoft made a couple of significant announcements about IE8.

Internal builds of Internet Explorer 8 have passed the Acid2 test, a complex rendering test designed to demonstrate a browser's compliance with the letter of the HTML and CSS specs. Currently, Mac OS X browsers OmniWeb and Safari and cross-platform Opera pass the test, as do the betas of Firefox 3.0.

Although Acid2 has become a significant benchmark for standards compliance, it's not really a true standards compliance test. In 2005, IE developer Chris Wilson referred to it as a "'wish list' of features" the test's authors would like to have supported in a browser. Still, it's an important milestone for the IE and its developers, as the application has been criticized over the years for its lack of compliance with standards—including by Opera in its antitrust complaint filed with the European Commission last week. (In fact, if the release version of IE8 supports Acid2, Microsoft could argue to the EC that it is at least as standards-compliant as the competition.)

Better interoperability and support for web standards are high priorities for the IE8 team, according to IE general manager Dean Hachamovitch. "The key goal (for the Web Standards Project as well as many other groups and individuals) is interoperability," wrote Hachamovitch on the IEBlog. "As a developer, I'd prefer to not have to write the same site multiple times for different browsers... With respect to standards and interoperability, our goal in developing Internet Explorer 8 is to support the right set of standards with excellent implementations and do so without breaking the existing web." A laudable goal, to be sure, but the millions of users still on IE6 ensure that the problem won't be going away anytime soon.

More on this story: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071...lf-of-2008.html

I think it is truly an amazing thing Microsoft is finally realizing. People embrace standards than vendor-lock-ins.

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post Dec 25 2007, 02:16 PM
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Nice to hear this, but it will still be years before we can stop checking out web page in Internet Explorer 6 (don't know about IE7's rendering system, though). If IE8 is released in 2008, who knows when it will become the most used Microsoft browser. If I am not mistaken, IE6 is still used by the majority of people, and look at how long ago IE7 was released.
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post Dec 25 2007, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE(pyost @ Dec 25 2007, 09:16 AM) *
Nice to hear this, but it will still be years before we can stop checking out web page in Internet Explorer 6 (don't know about IE7's rendering system, though). If IE8 is released in 2008, who knows when it will become the most used Microsoft browser. If I am not mistaken, IE6 is still used by the majority of people, and look at how long ago IE7 was released.



Even though I use Mozilla Firefox primarily, if I have to use Internet Explorer, I use IE7. IE6 is way too flawed to be allowed to run in my house network.

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post Dec 25 2007, 06:18 PM
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That is very good news for the Web designers. I myself have had to make some IE6 specific optimizations on my site. I am using a low quality version of Maxotek's logo for IE6. Since PNG transparency is not supported by IE6, I had to switch to transparent GIF.

My site, which has been around since July 24, has had a decent number of visitors, 5344 to be precise. 52% of which have been from Internet Explorer browsers, 31% Firefox, 4% Opera & 13% belong to the rest.

I always thought that IE7 was the most widely used one. But on careful verification, I found out that 54% of the Internet Explorer users were still sticking with IE6, 43% used IE7 and the rest used version 5 or less.

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post Dec 25 2007, 10:03 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that microsoft did not wish to concentrate on passing the acid test. Seems they have changed their decision. Regardless, I shall not change to IE. Opera works far better for me.
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post Dec 25 2007, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(Miles @ Dec 25 2007, 11:03 PM) *
I remember reading somewhere that microsoft did not wish to concentrate on passing the acid test. Seems they have changed their decision. Regardless, I shall not change to IE. Opera works far better for me.


In my opinion, the issues surrounding the different versions of IE may border more on hardware capabilities than on anything else; for instance IE7 will only run on winxp sp2 not later, and this requires a certain amount of system resources than what is required to comfortably run winxp sp1 or say home edition.
More system requirements means system upgrades (RAM, HDD space, Processor) and so on, which you will agree do not come cheap. So I just wish they will consider cost implications when releasing new programs n oses like win vista for instance and longhorn.
I believe more in functionality than in cosmetic value.

What do you think?
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post Dec 25 2007, 10:57 PM
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I hope the betas don't install over IE7, or the MultipleIE thingy gets it quickly.

It's odd news, the test itself is CSS hacks, not CSS super validity. It means good, but not perfect. I really hope they make it much easier for designers, something shorter than <!---[if IEn]> for each commonly used version.

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post Dec 25 2007, 11:24 PM
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This is infinitely quite interesting. However, I would like to add that the Acid 2 Test doesn't necessarily mean IE 8 is actually up to par in terms of standards. The Acid 2 test doesn't have all that is most important in terms of standards that IE should support, just little details that most browsers happen to miss. It is quite possible, I'm sure, to just work on getting Acid 2 correct and neglect the other standards, which is pointless. Now, if IE 8 were actually working toward achieving CSS 2 and at the same time it also passed the Acid 2 Test, then it deserves commendation since it then really has built a standards-compliant browser.

I'm of the opinion that the latter has probably happened, but I'll just taken into account all possibilities just in case.

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In my opinion, the issues surrounding the different versions of IE may border more on hardware capabilities than on anything else; for instance IE7 will only run on winxp sp2 not later, and this requires a certain amount of system resources than what is required to comfortably run winxp sp1 or say home edition.
More system requirements means system upgrades (RAM, HDD space, Processor) and so on, which you will agree do not come cheap. So I just wish they will consider cost implications when releasing new programs n oses like win vista for instance and longhorn.

Perhaps, but considering that hardware is improving all the time, that is probably the reason why Microsoft thinks it can release software that uses up more resources. Software is always capable of expanding the room that it is given to fill. In any case though, I agree with you that funtionality is more important than cosmetic value, so all the new "prettiness" of Vista, was, IMO, rather pointless.

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post Dec 26 2007, 06:09 AM
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I have heard the news before, too! Doesn't it sound great?? I am looking forward to the new version of Internet Explorer. But now I am using Tencent Traveller, not Internet Explorer. It is said that Internet Explorer will cause the computer slow down while running.


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I hope with the delivery of IE8 it will convert me back to using internet explorer as my browser of choice but it seems like that will not be likely because firefox, seems to offer much more to me as a web developer than any other browser out there. If IE8 does have a better user interface than IE7 than I might take into consideration of the new browser. Otherwise, I would just stick to using firefox whic I am already comfortable and see it as a reliable browser for designing my websites. I cannot and have not seen another browser that offers as much as firefox, and its hard to even fathom what the features of the other tools can offer to a web developer like firefox offers.
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