First off, I'm not a conspiracy-addict. I'd liek to think of myself as a healthy young man, with a healthy, sane mind. I try not to corrupt myself with wild ideas that everything has to be blamed one someone else. I try not to be afraid of the uknown, etc...

But I can't help being interested in the idea of a hidden government. International, not necessarily exclusively American. I've asked the opinion of a USAF-member, with several years of experience, and he found the idea just too unpractical to be true. No need for a hidden establishment, he believes, because it's easy enough to perform USAP's inside the "legitimate" governments.
USAP's are "UNACKNOWLEDGED SPECIAL ACCESS PROJECTS". To put it more clearly, it's a project that has a special, high-level acces. And no one, not evne your superiors are to be told about it. In fact, if your superior asks you more about it, you're given the right to flat-out lie about it and deny it.
Whether this is a proven and used tactic, I don't know, and I'm not claiming it to be that. But some "believers" out there do.

Naturally, this directly leads to cases such as Roswell. With the salvaging of a supposed alien spacecraft, along with bodies.

A year, or a year or two back, a supposed story was released under the name of serpo (www.serpo.org). This is supposed to be a story, published over time, by a high level American officer, and supposedly confirmed by several anonymous sources and the like.
It deals about not one crash,at the time of Roswell, but two. On the other, a living alien specimen was found hiding behind a rock. Communication was established, on a crude level, and the creature was apparently friendly, benevolent and caring. It was able to re-establish communications with it's home planet by fixing it's aircraft.
Naturally, the contact was remained extremely classified, and an exchange was planned. The species "EBE", took along 12, carefully handpicked people, to live on the homeplanet of EBE for a period of 10 years. Two died, a few remained, etc...
The story, for a sci-fi luvah like myself is fascinating to read.
The reason why the high-level person wanted to expose this story was to initiate a non-disclosure project, much like Steven Greer did. Apparently, it was deemed to much of a difficult task to relay the info to the rest of the world, so, it's said that a plan is even still, currently in the making to break the news.

On first sight, it seems ludacris. No person in his right mind would want to believe this. Then again, a succesful way to keep a certian case secret, is to counter an apparent leaking of it, with a secret of their own, a false one. Often, it would contain 20% truth and 80% lies. Combined with the alledged tactic is to make "believers" ridiculous.
Linde Houwe, award winning something-or-another interviewed many people and came across a simular story, even though she didn't know about the serpo case, about a same project, except with 3 people. One died, one went insane, and one is somewhere, stashed safely away by the hidden government. µ

Reason for me to believe that the serpo case is untrue, is that it sounds too good to be true. The EBE race is considered extremely caring, benevolent, and generous. Everything I'd want to hear was spoon-fed to me. Even though there was a plethora of scientific explanations, findings and the likes.
Also, the "greys", the famous alien kind that we know of mostly, were apprently also known to these aliens as just-another-race. Other interesting findings was how the species could prosper so well. This was apparently because there were only said to be a little over half a million of these little guys. There was only one planet, one kind, one language, one culture. Thus, they were peaceful, scattered along the planet and so on.
What is stressed, several times, is that people seem to have the uncanny and perhaps stupid intention to think of the universe in terms of Earth science. When a solar system is only slightly different than ours, life on a planet is significantly different. The planet Ebe, for example, had two suns. The surviving team members that returned died later on due to the radiation.

So perhaps, it was 20 percent truth (story about 3 members, a story less "pretty), and 80 percent lies, the serpo story. One would be inclined to believe this, because of the tactic that is used to misguide people, along with the idea that it is indeed news that one change the world, forever. I would believe that a plan would be installed to correctly bring this news into the public.
Imagine the scientific responses, the linguistic responses, cultural responses. Imagine how every would feel when they'd FINALLY realize that they're not the almighty human beings. Imagine a new kind of language being introduced. Imagine what it would to religions. Would it make or break religions? What would happen to all the believers and non-believers?
Imagine the industries, suddenly circulating and creating a new market solely based on this fact. Gadgets, information, books, dvd's movies. Imagine a trade system being set-up?
What would happen to the world's conflicts? I like to see the muslims (no offense) as the klingons on this planets, but would less honor. What would happen to their acts of terror? What would happen to the war in Iraq, the conflict between Israel and Palestina?
Would we face a new kind of enlightenment?

All these questions and many more intruige me to no end... Please share your thoughts, questions, opinions!

i dont know much of these things ,but yet i feel its plain fantasy and nothing real ,may be the guys who told you about the story see a lot of sci fi movies. i dont beleive in anything of this

I always kinda thought there was something going on behind the scenes... I don't think it's at THAT level yet, but there are some things I find intruiging. For exaple, every morning, five days a week, eight or nine months a year for twelve years, everybody has to say the Pledge of Alligence. I stopped saying that way back in sixth grade, when I first realized they were brainwashing us. Well, maybe not BRAINWASHING, but I still think there's something fishy about it.

I would warn a lot more people about my suspisions than the few I've told, but I figured we're minors anyway, so we can't LEGALLY pledge ourselves to anything.

And despite what the haters say, I am NOT paranoid. *Annoyed*

No one told me anything, I always like to go straight for the source:

http://www.serpo.org

That is the site that collects all given reports by the "insider".

Interesting fact is that if you jumble serpo around, you get "prose". You do the math, hehe.


My girlfriend stayed in Texas for about a year and had to do the whole pledge of allegiance thing. She took the liberty to do it as well, just out of respect. Not sure if she was obliged to, or not.
If there's a thing that I admire Americans for, is that they love their country. Just not how it's run, apparently.

Belgium has always had a kind of a strict catholic belief, and also, 'till I was about 12, we had to stand up, and say a prayer every morning, and before lunch. The words were given and mumbled, but none of us really understood the old-Dutch anyway. So it's comparable, perhaps.
What us Belgians LACK, however, is a little faith on our own damn country. We've had to go through so many opressions, from the damn romans, to the spanish, the french, the austrians, and the germans, TWICE, to get where we are now, and all I hear about my country, from my fellow belgians, is *****ing and moaning. Especially a generation under me, who seem to think they can express their thoughts on whatever, evne though they have no background knowledge, whatsoever, and gather in flocks, disrespecting everything that they should.
Maybe a pledge of allegiance, some cold hard facts or whatever should set some of their senses straight.

Ever since I started doing Kendo, I've really learned how it is, to have an open, free mind. It's an amazing experience. So don't feel as if you're being considered paranoid.

Let's say you're in power. Let's say you consider and truly believe in what is the best for your country, for your people. How would you go about letting them know that? How do you go about letting them know about love for the country, respect for the elders, passion in everything they do, be part of a community? Education. You educate your people - not brainwash them-. It's like raising a child (and I can tell you that from experience): they don't know anything, you still can't trust them and let them do whatever they want because they still can't tell one thing from another. If I let my child alone in the garden, she may take some pebbles into her mouth (what she has done), she might choke and die. Shouldn't I take it off her mouth, even if she cries, because it's something she wants? There is a time to learn, and there is a time to act upon what you've learnt. If in twenty years' time my daughter wants to go and swallow some pebbles, it will be up to her, she will know better, she will make that choice knowing the consequences, but not now.
Now it's the same if teenagers go around disrespecting everything, saying (ar acting as if) the country hystory is a piece of s**t, admiring foreign culture and not giving a d**m about their own. But they don't know anything about their own history, or their own culture. You can't love what you don't know. So education is for that. If later on, you think something different, then it's up to you, you know better, and you'll act on the knowledge. But you can't do that before knowing, you can't go around and say "I'm being brainwashed!" for what they teach at school.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. Only you did it so much better, heh. What our forefathers did for us seems to be so easily forgotten and disregarded nowadays. Sometimes even spat upon. You are where you come from, that includes history. If no one took a stand for Europe at the times of WOII (cliché example), I would most certainly be talking German right now.
It's only when we can realize this, that we can start to admire an other culture, or disapprove anything from our own culture.

*sigh* I could write a book on the corruption and the fake government. Save it for later

First of all, I am not a religious person by any means. As a kid, I hated hearing anything religious. But I did my dutiful thing and said the Pledge of Alligence. It was out of respect for my country. When I got into Jr. High, I just stood up, put my hand over my heart, as a sign of respect, but just didnt say the words, because I felt it had to do with religion and I didn't like it. Now, the government has totally taken it out of schools. Why? Everyone has the right to say it or not, whether it has the word G*d in it or not.

But back to the original topic. The whole alien, Area 51 thing has always been interesting to me. I have never read this serpo thing you spoke of, but i will look it up. Why is Area 51 so guarded? Why cant planes fly overhead? What are they hiding? I don't go for alot of conspricy theorys, but this one is a mystery to me? If nothing was there, then just let us see!

Well, this is my take on it right now, due to some information I've dug up, and some admissions from the US government itself through the Military channel.

The biggest conspiracy theory when it comes to hidden governments is the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy", which is rather common among the wacky left. Two simply put statements discount the theory. The first is, "I know for a fact that there is no vast right wing conspiracy, because if there was one, I'd be a part of it." True in my case, I apologize to all the liberals on the forum. The second is, "Conservatives can't even agree on where to meet for coffee, how the heck can they agree on how to run a massive world wide conspiracy?"

No matter how big or small, hidden governments have one perpetual problem, and that is human involvement. If it were computers running the show, who have no emotions that would get in the way, I'd say the conspiracy would work. But as is seen with current technology, it is unlikely this would happen.

To move on to Area 51...

One guy found the "legendary" Area 51 on google maps. He was looking around in the desert where it was rumoured to be, and found a military base, mostly blacked out. I can't remember the website, but I'm sure if you google it you'll find it.

On the military channel, one show, can't remember which, did an episode on a secret military testing base, which has become known as Area 51 in common culture. They gave up the area, which confirmed what the guy had found on google maps. It has been relocated several times. All it has ever been used for is the testing of military prototype weaponry. Another show that I was not fortunate enough to see, but my girlfriend did, had a military scientist speak about things from when the base was once located near Roswell, New Mexico. The lights that people saw were tests for spacecraft, according to this scientist. They didn't go very well. It must also be noted that the man was given complete anonymity, so there is no way to confirm his story.

As in the first post, it is true enough that it is easy to hide things in the current government. I have a friend who tells me he is ex-military, but when we touched on a certain subject of military training, he refused to continue the conversation. I sensed through his voice (quite difficult, I might add, as I have ADHD and Aspergers), that we should not continue the conversation and that is was very sensitive.

There are such things as assassins. For example, when Iraq was building a nuclear reactor, Israel sent many assassins to take out top level scientists. One incident included the assassin being caught in the act by a prostitute. She was hit by an unmarked corvette just before giving a statement to police. Mossad did not give away this information to public access for many years.

The point is, from anything I can tell through research, there is no government conspiracy behind the scenes. There is definately such a thing as covert operations, but that isn't truly a conspiracy.

yeah space aliens area 51 and all this stuff has obviously got something to do with the government we can't say it does'nt. but then again i live in canada and not so much of that crazy stuff happens here so its cool to watch all these american government things on tv.